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Post by Figgles on Feb 11, 2018 22:36:08 GMT
Although this topic has been explored (some might say, 'ad-naseum'  ) in another thread as Andrew and I argued, I think it's an important talk point. After all, one who cannot see through/past 'a broken world that requires fixing', is clearly, not seeing through/past, thought itself. I like what Reefs had to say here...I too have always resonated with what AH has to say about the misguided idea of 'a broken world.' : Most folks I've met who have a very set idea of how the world 'should be,' are failing bitterly to meet that challenge that Reefs speaks of: "can we allow others to have their own experience based upon their own choices." This is why I told Andrew that his version of utopia sounded to me like a special version of hell. He thinks he knows what is good for everyone, or what other's 'should' be wanting....and if he had his way, he would impose his desires and wants upon a collective world, disregarding the views of others....due to the fact that he thinks his values hold greater weight than those of others. To see that there is no world 'out there,' but rather, the world is in you, is to put an end to all that kind of thinking....in that case, live and let live really does become the main theme/way one lives their life and interacts with others who appear. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2018 0:00:12 GMT
Although this topic has been explored (some might say, 'ad-naseum' ) in another thread as Andrew and I argued, I think it's an important talk point. After all, one who cannot see through/past 'a broken world that requires fixing', is clearly, not seeing through/past, thought itself. I like what Reefs had to say here...I too have always resonated with what AH has to say about the misguided idea of 'a broken world.' : Most folks I've met who have a very set idea of how the world 'should be,' are failing bitterly to meet that challenge that Reefs speaks of: "can we allow others to have their own experience based upon their own choices." This is why I told Andrew that his version of utopia sounded to me like a special version of hell. He thinks he knows what is good for everyone, or what other's 'should' be wanting....and if he had his way, he would impose his desires and wants upon a collective world, disregarding the views of others....due to the fact that he thinks his values hold greater weight than those of others. To see that there is no world 'out there,' but rather, the world is in you, is to put an end to all that kind of thinking....in that case, live and let live really does become the main theme/way one lives their life and interacts with others who appear. Amen, sistah!! I especially rezzed with the bolded.. Rock on witcha bad Self. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:38:43 GMT
Although this topic has been explored (some might say, 'ad-naseum' ) in another thread as Andrew and I argued, I think it's an important talk point. After all, one who cannot see through/past 'a broken world that requires fixing', is clearly, not seeing through/past, thought itself. I like what Reefs had to say here...I too have always resonated with what AH has to say about the misguided idea of 'a broken world.' : Most folks I've met who have a very set idea of how the world 'should be,' are failing bitterly to meet that challenge that Reefs speaks of: " can we allow others to have their own experience based upon their own choices." This is why I told Andrew that his version of utopia sounded to me like a special version of hell. He thinks he knows what is good for everyone, or what other's 'should' be wanting....and if he had his way, he would impose his desires and wants upon a collective world, disregarding the views of others....due to the fact that he thinks his values hold greater weight than those of others. To see that there is no world 'out there,' but rather, the world is in you, is to put an end to all that kind of thinking....in that case, live and let live really does become the main theme/way one lives their life and interacts with others who appear. The problem here is, he assumes there is a co-creation happening here. But there is no co-creation! This was the topic once upon a time which led me into the right path about how we are expressing our creation in the midst of others creation. Actually I wanted to cite at claus Janew's lines here. Look at here Claus Janew try to reconcile such a reality! But the truth is, there is no co-creation happens here, everything moves as one! My decision and rest of the all individual's decision arises from the whole. So we always find our desired reality without violating other's choice. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2018 18:41:52 GMT
The problem here is, he assumes there is a co-creation happening here. But there is no co-creation! This was the topic once upon a time which led me into the right path about how we are expressing our creation in the midst of others creation. Yes, absolutely. The whole idea of a collective or 'co-created' world, does very much 'assume' the existence of others who actually DO experience, and as you and I both know all too well, we just do not know that for certain. Yeah...I totally agree with your bolded line. This is what Andrew is missing. He's looking without, to find and create a ' collective' world that meets his standards of 'balanced,' when he should be looking within to see that the world he encounters, has nothing to do with controlling or manipulating the actions, behaviors or views of others. It's all an inside job. The world becomes balanced (appears balanced), when I am balanced. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:04:32 GMT
The problem here is, he assumes there is a co-creation happening here. But there is no co-creation! This was the topic once upon a time which led me into the right path about how we are expressing our creation in the midst of others creation. Yes, absolutely. The whole idea of a collective or 'co-created' world, does very much 'assume' the existence of others who actually DO experience, and as you and I both know all too well, we just do not know that for certain. Yeah...I totally agree with your bolded line. This is what Andrew is missing. He's looking without, to find and create a ' collective' world that meets his standards of 'balanced,' when he should be looking within to see that the world he encounters, has nothing to do with controlling or manipulating the actions, behaviors or views of others. It's all an inside job. The world becomes balanced (appears balanced), when I am balanced. I don't have andrew in my mind while I was posting that, I thought of Reefs in my mind because you quoted Reefs there! Question of Reefs really interested me! |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 14, 2018 17:05:44 GMT
Yes, absolutely. The whole idea of a collective or 'co-created' world, does very much 'assume' the existence of others who actually DO experience, and as you and I both know all too well, we just do not know that for certain. Yeah...I totally agree with your bolded line. This is what Andrew is missing. He's looking without, to find and create a ' collective' world that meets his standards of 'balanced,' when he should be looking within to see that the world he encounters, has nothing to do with controlling or manipulating the actions, behaviors or views of others. It's all an inside job. The world becomes balanced (appears balanced), when I am balanced. I don't have andrew in my mind while I was posting that, I thought of Reefs in my mind because you quoted Reefs there! Question of Reefs really interested me! Ok yeah..I think I see what you're getting at. And because Reefs believes that he can and does know for certain that others are experiencing, that means he is doing more even than just 'assuming' co-creation is happening between himself and others who appear, that likely means he 'knows' it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 7:51:26 GMT
I don't have andrew in my mind while I was posting that, I thought of Reefs in my mind because you quoted Reefs there! Question of Reefs really interested me! Ok yeah..I think I see what you're getting at. And because Reefs believes that he can and does know for certain that others are experiencing, that means he is doing more even than just 'assuming' co-creation is happening between himself and others who appear, that likely means he 'knows' it. No, we are also believing that other individuals are real. The same kind of question has to come to us as well. That was the right question but the answer to the question is 'everything moves as one' so individual creation is wrong. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 15, 2018 15:23:10 GMT
Ok yeah..I think I see what you're getting at. And because Reefs believes that he can and does know for certain that others are experiencing, that means he is doing more even than just 'assuming' co-creation is happening between himself and others who appear, that likely means he 'knows' it. No, we are also believing that other individuals are real. The same kind of question has to come to us as well. That was the right question but the answer to the question is 'everything moves as one' so individual creation is wrong. Yeah, I agree with that. I think though if you asked Reefs, he would also agree that 'individual' creation, per se, is wrong...that the individual surely plays a part in creation, but is not itself, by itself, the creative source. Don't know for certain about that though. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 16, 2018 16:05:01 GMT
Ok yeah..I think I see what you're getting at. And because Reefs believes that he can and does know for certain that others are experiencing, that means he is doing more even than just 'assuming' co-creation is happening between himself and others who appear, that likely means he 'knows' it. No, we are also believing that other individuals are real. The same kind of question has to come to us as well. That was the right question but the answer to the question is 'everything moves as one' so individual creation is wrong. So that means that the ones who are trying to fix the world are just doing that as part of that singular movement, right? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 20, 2018 2:53:54 GMT
"There is no chaos in the world, except the chaos which your mind creates."
Nisargadatta
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) in another thread as Andrew and I argued, I think it's an important talk point. 
