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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2018 15:57:54 GMT
"There is no chaos in the world, except the chaos which your mind creates." Nisargadatta The unfounded solipsism argument is a good example of that chaos, too. Just spent the last five minutes reading about it. My take on it- Just another concept that has to take a hike. I'm certain the concept is founded in the frustration of a finite self trying to understand the infinite with illusory mind. Nothing to see here with the solipsism. It's BS. Yeah, the assertion about not knowing about appearing persons was never meant to become an ongoing debate or an issue of terrific importance. It was actually more of an aside, a facet of the more general seeing that all experiential content is empty of Truth. However, it became an issue specifically because folks were using the very compelling nature of the 'person' appearance to say that an appearing person is somehow different from all other appearances in that sense, and we DO actually know for certain, beyond what appears....simply because the appearance is so convincing. It's ridiculous. Either appearances are empty of truth, or they're not. We cannot pick and choose according to how 'real' something appears to be. It was interesting indeed to see how folks could say that they see the overall, general emptiness of all that appears, but then refuse to see that the people who appear in experience are also 'appearances'. Thus, even though the ongoing argument can be seen as TMT, I will continue to stand my ground if/when one argues against not knowing about appearing people, because what's really at stake, what Andrew and the likes of him are trying to refute, is the seeing that ALL that appears, is empty of Truth. He wants to single out certain stuff and make it 'truthy.' You cannot have all that appears be empty of Truth, except for appearing people. Don't work like that.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2018 16:19:17 GMT
Yeah, the assertion about not knowing about appearing persons was never meant to become an ongoing debate or an issue of terrific importance. It was actually more of an aside, a facet of the more general seeing that all experiential content is empty of Truth. However, it became an issue specifically because folks were using the very compelling nature of the 'person' appearance to say that an appearing person is somehow different from all other appearances in that sense, and we DO actually know for certain, beyond what appears....simply because the appearance is so convincing. It's ridiculous. Either appearances are empty of truth, or they're not. We cannot pick and choose according to how 'real' something appears to be. It was interesting indeed to see how folks could say that they see the overall, general emptiness of all that appears, but then refuse to see that the people who appear in experience are also 'appearances'. Thus, even though the ongoing argument can be seen as TMT, I will continue to stand my ground if/when one argues against not knowing about appearing people, because what's really at stake, what Andrew and the likes of him are trying to refute, is the seeing that ALL that appears, is empty of Truth. He wants to single out certain stuff and make it 'truthy.' You cannot have all that appears be empty of Truth, except for appearing people. Don't work like that. I agree with everything you've written here. As the Sufi pointer expresses- “ Wherever the eye falls, there is the face of God.” All that is seen is God’s face and it is God that sees it." perfect.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2018 16:48:18 GMT
Lol...there's a UK IP# that persistently and consistently comes up on the 'visitors' list that has me begging to differ.  And, having seen the obsessive nature of your mind, I think it's safe to say, you will indeed be reading these words. I have also come to see that you are quite dishonest.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 4, 2018 21:01:42 GMT
You're demonstrating precisely what E is saying, right here. There IS no 'but.' Plain & simply, you have a deep need to figure things out, and after all this time of seeking, you still believe you might do so, via the intellect. The only 'finality' you can expect, does not come in the form of pat answers, but rather, comes with awakening to the Truth, and thus, no longer being asleep within the dream, and with that comes the clear seeing that the questions you were asking re: life/existence/God, were all misconceived. There are no pat, fixed answers to questions that are themselves, borne of delusion. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 14, 2018 19:37:20 GMT
One thing I've always enjoyed about the AH teachings is their unwavering pointing to the underling perfection....that regardless of what's appearing, all is well. Andrew (I see you are still regularly reading along here...  ) I've a series of utube videos below that directly address folks just like who insist that the world is broken and in need of healing/fixing and who have set out to do that. They address the idea that you cannot create 'for' another person...that a given individual's idea of 'utopia' and how to achieve that does not take into account the fact that each individual has his own 'vision' of perfection and will either be in alignment or out of alignment with that. The very idea of trying to create a new world wide system that will supposedly be of benefit to all, is an extremely naive, narrow-minded, not to mention arrogant one. They also address the fundamental, inherent perfection of all, regardless of what is appearing on the surface of things. One who truly sees and knows that perfection as Truth, is plain and simply not going to be interested in embarking upon an action plan to heal/fix or balance the world....to create a new world system from the ground up, that supports the kind of world he would like to live in, instead of simply "Being" the change he'd like to see....living from a place of emodiment of that. In one of the videos, some dude asked Esther about Global warming. She replied that 'surely that which put the earth into motion and keeps it revolving, can also deal with temperature issues...?' Got a laugh from the audience, but hits home for sure. Do Not Worry About Your Planet - Focus Upon Yourself "You use all sorts of things as your excuse to stop doing the thing that matters most and what matters most is to hold yourself vibrationally in alignment with the well-being. It's so easy. So I find this reason and this reason not to allow my self alignment with well being....and then I don't experience well being and I say, It's that's fault and that's fault, and we say, it hasn't anything to do with any of those things you're worrying about. You are just using those things as your temporary excuse to explain why things are not getting better for you, because you innately know they should be going good for you. You blame your mother, your mate, your government, the terrorists, others, past lives, religion...." AH Is There A Gov't Conspiracy? Home Schooling From Lack As Counterproductive? (This one is excellent Andrew...I highly suggest you and J. both watch it as I see you doing precisely what Abraham is warning against...parenting from a place of fear) "Do not underestimate the child's connection to his own inner being." |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 15, 2018 3:41:21 GMT
One thing I've always enjoyed about the AH teachings is their unwavering pointing to the underling perfection....that regardless of what's appearing, all is well. Andrew (I see you are still regularly reading along here... ) I've a series of utube videos below that directly address folks just like who insist that the world is broken and in need of healing/fixing and who have set out to do that. They address the idea that you cannot create 'for' another person...that a given individual's idea of 'utopia' and how to achieve that does not take into account the fact that each individual has his own 'vision' of perfection and will either be in alignment or out of alignment with that. The very idea of trying to create a new world wide system that will supposedly be of benefit to all, is an extremely naive, narrow-minded, not to mention arrogant one. They also address the fundamental, inherent perfection of all, regardless of what is appearing on the surface of things. One who truly sees and knows that perfection as Truth, is plain and simply not going to be interested in embarking upon an action plan to heal/fix or balance the world....to create a new world system from the ground up, that supports the kind of world he would like to live in, instead of simply "Being" the change he'd like to see....living from a place of emodiment of that. In one of the videos, some dude asked Esther about Global warming. She replied that 'surely that which put the earth into motion and keeps it revolving, can also deal with temperature issues...?' Got a laugh from the audience, but hits home for sure. Do Not Worry About Your Planet - Focus Upon Yourself "You use all sorts of things as your excuse to stop doing the thing that matters most and what matters most is to hold yourself vibrationally in alignment with the well-being. It's so easy. So I find this reason and this reason not to allow my self alignment with well being....and then I don't experience well being and I say, It's that's fault and that's fault, and we say, it hasn't anything to do with any of those things you're worrying about. You are just using those things as your temporary excuse to explain why things are not getting better for you, because you innately know they should be going good for you. You blame your mother, your mate, your government, the terrorists, others, past lives, religion...." AH Is There A Gov't Conspiracy? Home Schooling From Lack As Counterproductive? (This one is excellent Andrew...I highly suggest you and J. both watch it as I see you doing precisely what Abraham is warning against...parenting from a place of fear) "Do not underestimate the child's connection to his own inner being." Essentially, what I'm hearing and what I rez with is; focus on what you desire instead of what you don't desire, because desire is creative. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 15, 2018 15:03:14 GMT
One thing I've always enjoyed about the AH teachings is their unwavering pointing to the underling perfection....that regardless of what's appearing, all is well. Andrew (I see you are still regularly reading along here... ) I've a series of utube videos below that directly address folks just like who insist that the world is broken and in need of healing/fixing and who have set out to do that. They address the idea that you cannot create 'for' another person...that a given individual's idea of 'utopia' and how to achieve that does not take into account the fact that each individual has his own 'vision' of perfection and will either be in alignment or out of alignment with that. The very idea of trying to create a new world wide system that will supposedly be of benefit to all, is an extremely naive, narrow-minded, not to mention arrogant one. They also address the fundamental, inherent perfection of all, regardless of what is appearing on the surface of things. One who truly sees and knows that perfection as Truth, is plain and simply not going to be interested in embarking upon an action plan to heal/fix or balance the world....to create a new world system from the ground up, that supports the kind of world he would like to live in, instead of simply "Being" the change he'd like to see....living from a place of emodiment of that. In one of the videos, some dude asked Esther about Global warming. She replied that 'surely that which put the earth into motion and keeps it revolving, can also deal with temperature issues...?' Got a laugh from the audience, but hits home for sure. Do Not Worry About Your Planet - Focus Upon Yourself "You use all sorts of things as your excuse to stop doing the thing that matters most and what matters most is to hold yourself vibrationally in alignment with the well-being. It's so easy. So I find this reason and this reason not to allow my self alignment with well being....and then I don't experience well being and I say, It's that's fault and that's fault, and we say, it hasn't anything to do with any of those things you're worrying about. You are just using those things as your temporary excuse to explain why things are not getting better for you, because you innately know they should be going good for you. You blame your mother, your mate, your government, the terrorists, others, past lives, religion...." AH Is There A Gov't Conspiracy? Home Schooling From Lack As Counterproductive? (This one is excellent Andrew...I highly suggest you and J. both watch it as I see you doing precisely what Abraham is warning against...parenting from a place of fear) "Do not underestimate the child's connection to his own inner being." Essentially, what I'm hearing and what I rez with is; focus on what you desire instead of what you don't desire, because desire is creative. Yup. They absolutely say 'focus upon what you desire instead of what you don't desire,' and no doubt about it, 'desire is creative,' but they also point out that ALL focus, whether it's upon wanted or unwanted, creates in that particular direction of focus....thus, if you can't get your mind off an empty bank account, you're going to keep getting more of the same. (I guess you can say there, that nothing 'new' gets created....you keep re-creating the old circumstance). But yes, in the larger sense, all 'improvements', all expansion, all apparent evolution, movement forward, has 'desire' at it's helm, so in that sense it can very much be said that 'desire is creative.' |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 15, 2018 23:22:09 GMT
Essentially, what I'm hearing and what I rez with is; focus on what you desire instead of what you don't desire, because desire is creative. Yup. They absolutely say 'focus upon what you desire instead of what you don't desire,' and no doubt about it, 'desire is creative,' but they also point out that ALL focus, whether it's upon wanted or unwanted, creates in that particular direction of focus....thus, if you can't get your mind off an empty bank account, you're going to keep getting more of the same. (I guess you can say there, that nothing 'new' gets created....you keep re-creating the old circumstance). But yes, in the larger sense, all 'improvements', all expansion, all apparent evolution, movement forward, has 'desire' at it's helm, so in that sense it can very much be said that 'desire is creative.' Lately, I've been looking at the idea that focus, as such, is creative, and I'm inclined to say that it's feeling that is creative. This may relate to a lot of LOA manifestation failures in which there is a mantra-like focus on something without a genuine feeling behind it. I'm also inclined to say interest rather than desire. After all, you don't actually desire an empty bank account. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 10:43:32 GMT
Yup. They absolutely say 'focus upon what you desire instead of what you don't desire,' and no doubt about it, 'desire is creative,' but they also point out that ALL focus, whether it's upon wanted or unwanted, creates in that particular direction of focus....thus, if you can't get your mind off an empty bank account, you're going to keep getting more of the same. (I guess you can say there, that nothing 'new' gets created....you keep re-creating the old circumstance). But yes, in the larger sense, all 'improvements', all expansion, all apparent evolution, movement forward, has 'desire' at it's helm, so in that sense it can very much be said that 'desire is creative.' Lately, I've been looking at the idea that focus, as such, is creative, and I'm inclined to say that it's feeling that is creative. This may relate to a lot of LOA manifestation failures in which there is a mantra-like focus on something without a genuine feeling behind it. I'm also inclined to say interest rather than desire. After all, you don't actually desire an empty bank account. What the hell! This is what I have been telling you for years now you started to say the same. I was telling you in our email conversation which we had in the very beginning that feelings create but you asked me "how could feeling creates" here goes our email conversation I said You asked I replied Then you replied Now you seems to be saying feelings are creating, whattttttt? You realized the truth or have seen something recently? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 10:50:23 GMT
Yup. They absolutely say 'focus upon what you desire instead of what you don't desire,' and no doubt about it, 'desire is creative,' but they also point out that ALL focus, whether it's upon wanted or unwanted, creates in that particular direction of focus....thus, if you can't get your mind off an empty bank account, you're going to keep getting more of the same. (I guess you can say there, that nothing 'new' gets created....you keep re-creating the old circumstance). But yes, in the larger sense, all 'improvements', all expansion, all apparent evolution, movement forward, has 'desire' at it's helm, so in that sense it can very much be said that 'desire is creative.' Lately, I've been looking at the idea that focus, as such, is creative, and I'm inclined to say that it's feeling that is creative. This may relate to a lot of LOA manifestation failures in which there is a mantra-like focus on something without a genuine feeling behind it. I'm also inclined to say interest rather than desire. After all, you don't actually desire an empty bank account. This this this this this is where the secret lies! Yes, you are right, If there is no feeling, then there is no orchestration. If there is feeling, then universe will conspire to create for you. But repeated visualization would fail to create the intended feeling after some time and merely repeated affirmation doesn't create feeling to impress subconscious to create the reality. So what can we do ? there lies a secret but unfortunately as you know, I wouldn't reveal here  |
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