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Post by Figgles on Jan 25, 2019 17:36:59 GMT
And taking into account all I said above, I will still admit, my experience continues to confirm the idea that when the person gets the hell outta the way, life unfolds as a series of arising intentions that just naturally appear to morph easily and without obstruction, into manifestation...and when the person is in the way, getting all judgey and involved in 'how' life should be unfolding, which usually means desire/wants more of the 'burning' variety, life just doesn't flow as easily....intentions appear to be thwarted, things don't run as smoothly...there's a large gap between what currently IS and what is wanted/intended. As Jed McKenna talked about, it can be tempting indeed to slap the label of "Truth" upon this observation of how an accepting/allowing stance towards life seems to make for an easier, less bumpy experience....but because it's 'within the dream,' it defies such. perhaps a better way to frame this is; When the SVP has been seen through, the nature of arising intentions/wants/desires become different absent the delusion of being a separate someone, which means absent the idea that certain stuff is needed/necessary to be at peace. Intentions then arise in accord with the realization of the unified movement that is unfolding instead of in resistance to what is unfolding. Byron Katie's "Loving what Is" comes to mind here. What the AH LOA teachings specifically are actually trying to do is to 'get the person the heck outta the way,' so he can manifest all the stuff the person thinks he needs to be happy...which is obviously problematic...however, if 'person outta the way' remains the focus, I think there's room there for an auspicious position....if one can come to see that it's the absence of resistance he is actually seeking for, (Peace) not the stuff that the person thinks he needs to be happy, (and that the very ideas surrounding his burning desires for change are themselves what needs to go), well.....there's that auspicious position.... When what arises triggers unwanted feelings, the lack of consciousness of those feelings frequently manifests as a desire to change what is, which is a declaration of war that can never end. If you want to refer to the state of mind in which those feelings are expressed as 'wanting what is', that's fine, but what happens in the wake of greater consciousness may very well be a change in perspective that brings about a change in experience. That would be no longer wanting what is, because what was is bound to change. Because the emotional unconscious is the lifeblood of person identification, I guess we are talking about getting the person outta the way. But because feelings of powerlessness or hopelessness are so often linked to psychic disturbances, the potential to get stuck in a wanting to be powerless mentality is evident. One might even experience a degree of flow as they delude themselves that they want others to walk all over them, which of course is an auric match for a doormat-like existence. And so I wouldn't say desires need to go (although some probly do), but that desires linked to the lifeblood of identification may at the very least need to be tweaked. Meaning, the enterprise of desire unfolds in a different way when one is no longer seeking a sense of self from the very creation that is already essentially itself. Wanting to find oneself is a desire that can go, while conditioned behavior unfolds more consciously. This unfolding is embodied through an absence of compensation for injuries, which is the taint of unconscious living. Ah...that there is key. Nicely said.  (and welcome to the forum!) Yes. Exactly. Right now, I want a warm up for my tepid coffee....and for my cat to stop peeing outside the litter box.  Continued engagement with experience necessarily means continued arising of likes/dislikes/preferences, and thus, impetus towards those. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 25, 2019 17:39:19 GMT
that's very clear. But one can't stop wanting to be free when he is suffering. It's automatic. True dat, but freedom is the inevitable result of ceasing to struggle with what is. We think freedom requires changes in our outer world, and so we struggle to remake our world, trying to stand apart and in opposition to creation, thereby reinforcing the bars of our prison. When there is acceptance, creation does not give us horrors to accept. The flow of creation that one steps into is fundamentally benevolent, is Love. Barootiful.  The bolded so aptly describes the delusion that's at the root of suffering. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 25, 2019 17:56:07 GMT
And taking into account all I said above, I will still admit, my experience continues to confirm the idea that when the person gets the hell outta the way, life unfolds as a series of arising intentions that just naturally appear to morph easily and without obstruction, into manifestation...and when the person is in the way, getting all judgey and involved in 'how' life should be unfolding, which usually means desire/wants more of the 'burning' variety, life just doesn't flow as easily....intentions appear to be thwarted, things don't run as smoothly...there's a large gap between what currently IS and what is wanted/intended. As Jed McKenna talked about, it can be tempting indeed to slap the label of "Truth" upon this observation of how an accepting/allowing stance towards life seems to make for an easier, less bumpy experience....but because it's 'within the dream,' it defies such. perhaps a better way to frame this is; When the SVP has been seen through, the nature of arising intentions/wants/desires become different absent the delusion of being a separate someone, which means absent the idea that certain stuff is needed/necessary to be at peace. Intentions then arise in accord with the realization of the unified movement that is unfolding instead of in resistance to what is unfolding. Byron Katie's "Loving what Is" comes to mind here. What the AH LOA teachings specifically are actually trying to do is to 'get the person the heck outta the way,' so he can manifest all the stuff the person thinks he needs to be happy...which is obviously problematic...however, if 'person outta the way' remains the focus, I think there's room there for an auspicious position....if one can come to see that it's the absence of resistance he is actually seeking for, (Peace) not the stuff that the person thinks he needs to be happy, (and that the very ideas surrounding his burning desires for change are themselves what needs to go), well.....there's that auspicious position.... Zackly. When one is wanting what is happening, he is in the flow of creation and can't help but get what he wants. When he is wanting something other than creation is creating, he can't help but fail to get it. The most powerful manifestation technique is not to create what is wanted but to want what is created. Really well said. But just want to add, I've come to see 'wanting what is happening,' and being in that flow of creation as often something more than just personally 'liking/preferring' every minute circumstance that is arising. It's a deeper, more fundamental, all encompassing 'this is all good' kinda thing. For example, I've got 5 cats (my parents went into geriatric care and I inherited 2 to add to my 3) and one of them has started peeing in places where I don't want her to due to what they call 'idiopathic cystitis.' there's no real dx...likely anxiety they say. I really do not like the idea of my house smelling like cat pee, thus, there is a fairly strong 'wanting' for her to start using the litter box solely again. That said, I love my cats....I am accepting and even enjoying the process of making my little pisser know she is loved and pampered and will be cared for regardless...I can already see improvement and there's a strong sense that the measures taken (xtra litter boxes, time alone, extra attention, etc.) are working. In short, no, I do not 'want' my cat to be pissing up my house, BUT, I do want this continued relationship with all my felines, and going even more general, I do want the continued, rich and varied experience that necessitates both ups and downs on the roller-coaster of life. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 25, 2019 22:36:10 GMT
When what arises triggers unwanted feelings, the lack of consciousness of those feelings frequently manifests as a desire to change what is, which is a declaration of war that can never end. If you want to refer to the state of mind in which those feelings are expressed as 'wanting what is', that's fine, but what happens in the wake of greater consciousness may very well be a change in perspective that brings about a change in experience. That would be no longer wanting what is, because what was is bound to change. Because the emotional unconscious is the lifeblood of person identification, I guess we are talking about getting the person outta the way. But because feelings of powerlessness or hopelessness are so often linked to psychic disturbances, the potential to get stuck in a wanting to be powerless mentality is evident. One might even experience a degree of flow as they delude themselves that they want others to walk all over them, which of course is an auric match for a doormat-like existence. And so I wouldn't say desires need to go (although some probly do), but that desires linked to the lifeblood of identification may at the very least need to be tweaked. Meaning, the enterprise of desire unfolds in a different way when one is no longer seeking a sense of self from the very creation that is already essentially itself. Wanting to find oneself is a desire that can go, while conditioned behavior unfolds more consciously. This unfolding is embodied through an absence of compensation for injuries, which is the taint of unconscious living. But a conscious person may still want the same pair of shoes that very same person wanted prior to being conscious. Although maybe a change in shoe lace color is called for, to jazz em up or down a bit, accordingly.  Hey dude, You are writing something very meaningful, I sense something very deep. Where are you from? anyway I welcome you to our forum. River City.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 26, 2019 15:06:33 GMT
Zackly. When one is wanting what is happening, he is in the flow of creation and can't help but get what he wants. When he is wanting something other than creation is creating, he can't help but fail to get it. The most powerful manifestation technique is not to create what is wanted but to want what is created. Really well said. But just want to add, I've come to see 'wanting what is happening,' and being in that flow of creation as often something more than just personally 'liking/preferring' every minute circumstance that is arising. It's a deeper, more fundamental, all encompassing 'this is all good' kinda thing. For example, I've got 5 cats (my parents went into geriatric care and I inherited 2 to add to my 3) and one of them has started peeing in places where I don't want her to due to what they call 'idiopathic cystitis.' there's no real dx...likely anxiety they say. I really do not like the idea of my house smelling like cat pee, thus, there is a fairly strong 'wanting' for her to start using the litter box solely again. That said, I love my cats....I am accepting and even enjoying the process of making my little pisser know she is loved and pampered and will be cared for regardless...I can already see improvement and there's a strong sense that the measures taken (xtra litter boxes, time alone, extra attention, etc.) are working. In short, no, I do not 'want' my cat to be pissing up my house, BUT, I do want this continued relationship with all my felines, and going even more general, I do want the continued, rich and varied experience that necessitates both ups and downs on the roller-coaster of life. Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 9:25:15 GMT
that's very clear. But one can't stop wanting to be free when he is suffering. It's automatic. True dat, but freedom is the inevitable result of ceasing to struggle with what is. We think freedom requires changes in our outer world, and so we struggle to remake our world, trying to stand apart and in opposition to creation, thereby reinforcing the bars of our prison. When there is acceptance, creation does not give us horrors to accept. The flow of creation that one steps into is fundamentally benevolent, is Love. So you say creation would rearrange itself when we accept the world as it is. So you say that rearranging is essential for struggle to cease? yes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 9:31:26 GMT
True dat, but freedom is the inevitable result of ceasing to struggle with what is. We think freedom requires changes in our outer world, and so we struggle to remake our world, trying to stand apart and in opposition to creation, thereby reinforcing the bars of our prison. When there is acceptance, creation does not give us horrors to accept. The flow of creation that one steps into is fundamentally benevolent, is Love. Barootiful. The bolded so aptly describes the delusion that's at the root of suffering.
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 11:30:19 GMT
Hey dude, You are writing something very meaningful, I sense something very deep. Where are you from? anyway I welcome you to our forum. River City. You know him? |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 15:52:11 GMT
True dat, but freedom is the inevitable result of ceasing to struggle with what is. We think freedom requires changes in our outer world, and so we struggle to remake our world, trying to stand apart and in opposition to creation, thereby reinforcing the bars of our prison. When there is acceptance, creation does not give us horrors to accept. The flow of creation that one steps into is fundamentally benevolent, is Love. So you say creation would rearrange itself when we accept the world as it is. So you say that rearranging is essential for struggle to cease? yes? Creation does not give us what we interpret as horrors. That may include changes in creation, but mostly it's changes in mind. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 15:56:51 GMT
Barootiful. The bolded so aptly describes the delusion that's at the root of suffering.
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
Nobody has denied that there are changes in creation when one is in alignment. What you've been insisting for years is that there MUST be external changes or the suffering goes on. |
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