Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 15:57:29 GMT
River City.  You know him? Nope. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 31, 2019 18:52:02 GMT
Barootiful.  The bolded so aptly describes the delusion that's at the root of suffering. Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
For something to be regarded as a 'horror', a very deep and specific judgement has to be made about it. In acceptance, those deep, specific judgements just no longer happen. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 31, 2019 18:57:16 GMT
So you say creation would rearrange itself when we accept the world as it is. So you say that rearranging is essential for struggle to cease? yes? Creation does not give us what we interpret as horrors. That may include changes in creation, but mostly it's changes in mind. Yes. Exactly. And really, that's what most LOA seekers are missing; When those changes happen in mind, the changes in creation/manifestation don't seem nearly as important. And that's the catch 22.....when the manifestation isn't deemed to be of such great importance and the interest in it is more of a natural arising of interest/impetus to action, vs. a burning desire/want/need, it usually manifests easily and effortlessly. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 31, 2019 19:03:47 GMT
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
Nobody has denied that there are changes in creation when one is in alignment. What you've been insisting for years is that there MUST be external changes or the suffering goes on. Yup. The emphasis upon material/external change is misguided. The real gold lies in internal change. The AH teachings actually allude to this at times, but they reel folks in with the promise of getting all the material stuff they've got their hearts set upon....and so long as one has a material bent and is overly focused upon getting stuff, that message is usually going to be ignored or not heard. |
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Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 23:11:33 GMT
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
For something to be regarded as a 'horror', a very deep and specific judgement has to be made about it. In acceptance, those deep, specific judgements just no longer happen. Yuppers |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 23:16:46 GMT
Creation does not give us what we interpret as horrors. That may include changes in creation, but mostly it's changes in mind. Yes. Exactly. And really, that's what most LOA seekers are missing; When those changes happen in mind, the changes in creation/manifestation don't seem nearly as important. And that's the catch 22.....when the manifestation isn't deemed to be of such great importance and the interest in it is more of a natural arising of interest/impetus to action, vs. a burning desire/want/need, it usually manifests easily and effortlessly. Yes, and I see that as a kind of alignment since these 'burning needs' are actually illusion based. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 31, 2019 23:21:33 GMT
Nobody has denied that there are changes in creation when one is in alignment. What you've been insisting for years is that there MUST be external changes or the suffering goes on. Yup. The emphasis upon material/external change is misguided. The real gold lies in internal change. The AH teachings actually allude to this at times, but they reel folks in with the promise of getting all the material stuff they've got their hearts set upon....and so long as one has a material bent and is overly focused upon getting stuff, that message is usually going to be ignored or not heard. It's kind of an attempt to get ego interested in enlightenment, and that's always tricky since ego isn't involved. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 1, 2019 0:19:37 GMT
Yes. Exactly. And really, that's what most LOA seekers are missing; When those changes happen in mind, the changes in creation/manifestation don't seem nearly as important. And that's the catch 22.....when the manifestation isn't deemed to be of such great importance and the interest in it is more of a natural arising of interest/impetus to action, vs. a burning desire/want/need, it usually manifests easily and effortlessly. Yes, and I see that as a kind of alignment since these 'burning needs' are actually illusion based. Ah, yes....excellent point. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 1, 2019 0:38:51 GMT
Yup. The emphasis upon material/external change is misguided. The real gold lies in internal change. The AH teachings actually allude to this at times, but they reel folks in with the promise of getting all the material stuff they've got their hearts set upon....and so long as one has a material bent and is overly focused upon getting stuff, that message is usually going to be ignored or not heard. It's kind of an attempt to get ego interested in enlightenment, and that's always tricky since ego isn't involved. Yeah, that's it. Let's face it, to ego, the promise of 'absence of resistance/Peace' sounds like a rather raw deal in comparison to a huge house and a garage full of fancy cars.  |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 1, 2019 16:24:22 GMT
It's kind of an attempt to get ego interested in enlightenment, and that's always tricky since ego isn't involved. Yeah, that's it. Let's face it, to ego, the promise of 'absence of resistance/Peace' sounds like a rather raw deal in comparison to a huge house and a garage full of fancy cars. Ha! Yes. I notice when I talk about Peace as an absence being the goal, there's mostly a resounding silence. |
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