LOA Teachings Assume Cause/Effect

The very concept of LOA hinges upon the concept of time/cause and effect/this happens, THEN that will happen...that one 'thing' attracts another.

Arising desire is seen to come first...then the person gets involved, has a look at whether or not he is in alignment with the manifestation of his desire....whether he is thinking allowing thoughts, feeling good, etc., and if all that's in order, he can sit in excited anticipation of his impending, manifest desire.

Absent the idea of time/space, one might actually see that arising desire/manifestation is not actually a two-step process at all. That really, both are part and parcel of one unified movement.

It really does seem as though he's somehow lost or unseen so much of what he previously spoke about having 'realized.' Strange times man.

I don't think actual realizations though, are lost or forgotten in that way, so it has to mean his grasp upon so much of what he talked about in the past, was merely conceptual. Interesting that in terms of calling out folks mistaking conceptual understandings for realizations, he was one of the toughest task masters on that forum....now he's the one who should be taken to task for 'licking pointers....playing identity poker.....chiggy-wiggy dancin.'

Well put.

I figure a good litmus test for where one is with all this is to look at the general divergence of lack thereof between 'wants/desire' and 'what is.' When delusions are abundant and deep, the world that appears is going to be very divergent from the world one desires, whereas when clarity reigns, the world that appears is not subject to fear based judgements that are at the helm of arising, burning desires for things to be different.... there is little in the way of a gap between what is wanted in any given moment vs. what creation is providing.

(Andrew with his focus upon a broken/unbalanced world that needs to be fixed/healed, is a good example of this. The world he experiences is vastly different from the world he desires).

So yes, the very nature of 'want/desire' does indeed change in clarity. Deep, burning desires for 'what is' to change or be something different than what it currently is, pretty much go out the window. Desires/needs become lightened to mere preference/interest in a particular evolvement of experience.But rather than registering as an actual thought/idea based desire for change, there is more just a beckoning forward, towards that interest/preference by way of arising urges to action.

And this does indeed result in that 'duality clipping' you've mentioned...where the ups and downs of the roller-coaster ride become less intense. (the depth/intensity of happy feeings in response to particular conditions lessens, as does the depth of unhappy feelings in response to particular conditions).

Gopal, if you are reading this, this speaks to the whole issue of being at peace regardless of arising conditions....or the term, equanimity works too.

Would the notion of a law involving one manifest thing/feeling/thought attracting other manifestations even arise though absent the idea of a someone who can 'apply it' to get what he wants?



Derren Brown poops on all ideas pertaining to anything beyond what appears to be so on the surface of things. Thus, you can rest assured, he's also opposed to the very idea of a Law that says specific feelings beget specific happenings.



It might sound 'clean and simple' but 'like attracts like' still posits one manifestation (in this case, feelings) as a cause/catalyst to another manifestation. In actuality, nothing within the realm of the manifest actually causes or catalyzes anything else. It just looks that way from the position of an imagined separate volitional person.....which itself, is also a manifestation.

Seeing it's all one movement reveals that while similar/apparently related stuff may appear within the story during a given experiential period of time, in actuality, no one arising thing (thought, feeling, circumstance, event) is actually 'causing' another to arise. Again, it just looks that way from the position of SVP.

What most LOA teachers forget to mention, is that desire/intent/interest is itself a manifestation, and one that even from the position of SVP can be seen to be beyond the control of such.



Again, even if we take the intention to manifest desires out of the equation, the law of 'like attracts like' hinges upon a perspective from within the story. From within the story it does indeed 'appear' that a feeling manifests and then that 'attracts/creates' other stuff that is of a similar 'vibe.' But get outside the story, and it can clearly be seen that no-thing arising within the story is actually causing, attracting, or creating anything else. Again, it just looks that way.

One unified movement means it's ALL just happening....no actual 'laws' within the story itself that are governing how the story unfolds. The entirety is one unified unfolding. There is no manifestation/arising phenomena attracting or creating another thing/happening. Rather, the dream unfolds in a way that makes it appear as though that is so.