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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 14:27:21 GMT
Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. It occurs to me they are saying the same thing. Let's look at this previous post of e's... Everything moves as one. Subject and object, perceiver and perceived are part of the everything that moves as one.  I'm not seeing the subject object split you're pointing at. I'm not even sure an inner or outer is part of the equation of wholeness. Am I misinterpreting your post? Help? First off, Please click this link spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/17920Read the uncertainty of zendancer about the outer world existence. But Enigma is certain that outer world doesn't exist. If everything is happening in consciousness, then Zendancer must have been known that, he can't be unsure. So how can he be SR? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 2, 2018 16:49:42 GMT
I have been told 'unfriend' is the more properer term.  Hehe...If someone had told me 8 months ago that Andrew would be my first 'unfriending' on facebook, I would have bet Gopal's life against it.  Proof that all things are possible! Yes!! |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 2, 2018 16:55:34 GMT
Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. Absolutely, (if what you mean is that the world has no fundamental separate, independent existence apart from Being). A slightly different way to say it is; i know that 'outer' is just an appearance (as is inner)...that ultimately, there is no outer vs. inner....its all One....the appearing 'world', arises within/to Being. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 2, 2018 16:59:42 GMT
It occurs to me they are saying the same thing. Let's look at this previous post of e's... I'm not seeing the subject object split you're pointing at. I'm not even sure an inner or outer is part of the equation of wholeness. Am I misinterpreting your post? Help? First off, Please click this link spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/17920Read the uncertainty of zendancer about the outer world existence. But Enigma is certain that outer world doesn't exist. If everything is happening in consciousness, then Zendancer must have been known that, he can't be unsure. So how can he be SR? I suspect he was unsure as to how you were defining 'exist'. He does say there is no inner vs. outer, so as I see it, that takes care of an actual belief in 'a world out there' that somehow stands apart from Being. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 2, 2018 17:00:43 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. I don't think there are any knowledge requirements for SR, as it's simply the seeing through of illusion, though knowledge seems inevitable. Certainly, one need not take an interest in whether or not the world exists. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 2, 2018 20:41:15 GMT
I suspect he was unsure as to how you were defining 'exist'. He does say there is no inner vs. outer, so as I see it, that takes care of an actual belief in 'a world out there' that somehow stands apart from Being. Gopal appears to be in "ruler" mode this morning.  He'd probably be bored to tears if he hung out with me for a day or two. It's pretty quiet around here. Hehe...I almost forgot about the 'ruler' business. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 7:31:31 GMT
Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. Absolutely, (if what you mean is that the world has no fundamental separate, independent existence apart from Being). A slightly different way to say it is; i know that 'outer' is just an appearance (as is inner)...that ultimately, there is no outer vs. inner....its all One....the appearing 'world', arises within/to Being. You clearly said in the past that you don't know whether outer world exist or not. Now you are changing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 7:32:53 GMT
Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. I don't think there are any knowledge requirements for SR, as it's simply the seeing through of illusion, though knowledge seems inevitable. Certainly, one need not take an interest in whether or not the world exists. If you keep changing the concepts of yours, it would be difficult to follow you and argue with you. I thoroughly remember that you argue with people that knowing everything happens in consciousness implies that he must be knowing that outer world doesn't exist. There are plenty of times you did with Satch. You supported me while he denying that he doesn't know outer world exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 9:22:17 GMT
First off, Please click this link spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/17920Read the uncertainty of zendancer about the outer world existence. But Enigma is certain that outer world doesn't exist. If everything is happening in consciousness, then Zendancer must have been known that, he can't be unsure. So how can he be SR? I suspect he was unsure as to how you were defining 'exist'. He does say there is no inner vs. outer, so as I see it, that takes care of an actual belief in 'a world out there' that somehow stands apart from Being. I don't know why I often need to argue with people with their understanding. Read what he said carefully once again, Enigma immediately understand after reading these lines what zendancer meant clearly. Doesn't it extremely clear for you that he doesn't know outer world exist? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 10:37:54 GMT
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