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Post by Figgles on Jan 10, 2018 18:43:23 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement').
I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order.
And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me.
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Post by Andrew on Jan 10, 2018 19:18:41 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. I don't experience you being 'hard on me and my views', nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 10, 2018 20:48:14 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. Cool. It's not like I was gonna stop or anything though even if you said you did.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 11, 2018 20:26:25 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 11, 2018 22:44:14 GMT
I don't experience you being 'hard on me and my views', nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) Well there are two reasons. The first is that my facebook page is quite personal to me, and I have a quite objective criteria for who I would want to be seeing my page. I wouldn't be comfortable with you using anything I say on facebook to illustrate a point, and at this point, I think you might. I fully acknowledge I might well be wrong about that, but it would bother me if happened, so for now it is better this way for me. The second is that the majority of what I post is political conspiracy stuff, and you have made it clear that you are not interested at all in that. The second reason is much less than the first, but is not irrelevant. I don't consider you are being 'hard on me and my views'....I just wouldn't express it that way....but certainly we are at loggerheads to some extent, and that's okay. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 0:18:28 GMT
Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) Well there are two reasons. The first is that my facebook page is quite personal to me, and I have a quite objective criteria for who I would want to be seeing my page. I wouldn't be comfortable with you using anything I say on facebook to illustrate a point, and at this point, I think you might. I fully acknowledge I might well be wrong about that, but it would bother me if happened, so for now it is better this way for me. The second is that the majority of what I post is political conspiracy stuff, and you have made it clear that you are not interested at all in that. The second reason is much less than the first, but is not irrelevant. I don't consider you are being 'hard on me and my views'....I just wouldn't express it that way....but certainly we are at loggerheads to some extent, and that's okay. lol did you unfriend me as well? |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 12, 2018 0:23:03 GMT
Well there are two reasons. The first is that my facebook page is quite personal to me, and I have a quite objective criteria for who I would want to be seeing my page. I wouldn't be comfortable with you using anything I say on facebook to illustrate a point, and at this point, I think you might. I fully acknowledge I might well be wrong about that, but it would bother me if happened, so for now it is better this way for me. The second is that the majority of what I post is political conspiracy stuff, and you have made it clear that you are not interested at all in that. The second reason is much less than the first, but is not irrelevant. I don't consider you are being 'hard on me and my views'....I just wouldn't express it that way....but certainly we are at loggerheads to some extent, and that's okay. lol did you unfriend me as well? well over a year ago I think. Different reason than to Fig, though like I said, I have a quite specific criteria for facebook 'friends'. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2018 0:23:45 GMT
Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) Well there are two reasons. The first is that my facebook page is quite personal to me, and I have a quite objective criteria for who I would want to be seeing my page. I wouldn't be comfortable with you using anything I say on facebook to illustrate a point, and at this point, I think you might. I fully acknowledge I might well be wrong about that, but it would bother me if happened, so for now it is better this way for me. The second is that the majority of what I post is political conspiracy stuff, and you have made it clear that you are not interested at all in that. The second reason is much less than the first, but is not irrelevant. I don't consider you are being 'hard on me and my views'....I just wouldn't express it that way....but certainly we are at loggerheads to some extent, and that's okay. Ok & fair enough. I get it. The bolded line and everything you say above there though, seems to me to be somewhat at odds. If you didn't think I was being hard (judgemental, critical) of your views, you wouldn't care what I saw, would you? |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2018 0:25:58 GMT
lol did you unfriend me as well? well over a year ago I think. Different reason than to Fig, though like I said, I have a quite specific criteria for facebook 'friends'. Wow, really? I've never ditched anyone.....I always found the whole idea quite funny actually of getting dumped, or dumping someone.....Interestingly enough, yours is the first DE-friending I've been subject to since being on facebook.  |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 12, 2018 0:27:33 GMT
Well there are two reasons. The first is that my facebook page is quite personal to me, and I have a quite objective criteria for who I would want to be seeing my page. I wouldn't be comfortable with you using anything I say on facebook to illustrate a point, and at this point, I think you might. I fully acknowledge I might well be wrong about that, but it would bother me if happened, so for now it is better this way for me. The second is that the majority of what I post is political conspiracy stuff, and you have made it clear that you are not interested at all in that. The second reason is much less than the first, but is not irrelevant. I don't consider you are being 'hard on me and my views'....I just wouldn't express it that way....but certainly we are at loggerheads to some extent, and that's okay. Ok & fair enough. I get it. The bolded line and everything you say above there though, seems to me to be somewhat at odds. If you didn't think I was being hard (judgemental, critical) of your views, you wouldn't care what I saw, would you? You aren't being 'hard on me', you're just doing what you have to do right now in both challenging me and defending your points. I'm doing the same. I know I unfriended you, but the reasoning is quite practical, I don't have a grudge. We just have to play this out right now, and explore it. It is what it is. |
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