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Post by Andrew on Jan 12, 2018 9:14:16 GMT
Sigh... you really do so often insist that your way of expressing things, is specifically how I am experiencing them.
I don't think or feel you are being 'hard on me', it's just not like that. In order to feel that 'someone is being hard on me' I would probably have to see them as a kind of bullying parent or something. I definitely don't feel like that about you lol. "hard on you" really isn't all that specific. It most certainly includes the degree of challenge that makes you feel uncomfy enough about the possibility of further and deeper challenge, that you'd feel the need to shield your facebook wall postings from me. You are still doing it...still trying to impose your model of reality onto my model of reality. If your kids, husband or friend were tell you that they are feeling displeased, do you ask them why they are upset about? Or do you ask them what they are displeased about? It's just a simple example, but trying to impose your model is something you do quite a lot, and I believe is why you have a history of being told that you 'picture paint'. You don't listen to the other person's model, you impose yours. Getting to know what's going on with someone requires engaging with their model, not just imposing yours. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2018 16:31:42 GMT
"hard on you" really isn't all that specific. It most certainly includes the degree of challenge that makes you feel uncomfy enough about the possibility of further and deeper challenge, that you'd feel the need to shield your facebook wall postings from me. You are still doing it...still trying to impose your model of reality onto my model of reality. If your kids, husband or friend were tell you that they are feeling displeased, do you ask them why they are upset about? Or do you ask them what they are displeased about? It's just a simple example, but trying to impose your model is something you do quite a lot, and I believe is why you have a history of being told that you 'picture paint'. You don't listen to the other person's model, you impose yours. Getting to know what's going on with someone requires engaging with their model, not just imposing yours.  The term 'being hard on you,' was for me the equivalent of saying I am very critical of you and your views. Fact is, I am sitting in judgement of your views and have indeed been very critical of what I see to be a lack of clarity and even some deep delusions on your part. My opinion is that when it comes to spirituality in general, you are full of it. I see that as pretty critical, definitely judgement, but wholly accurate. If you didn't see me as being critical of you, you wouldn't give a rats arse what I saw on facebook. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 12, 2018 16:40:30 GMT
You are still doing it...still trying to impose your model of reality onto my model of reality. If your kids, husband or friend were tell you that they are feeling displeased, do you ask them why they are upset about? Or do you ask them what they are displeased about? It's just a simple example, but trying to impose your model is something you do quite a lot, and I believe is why you have a history of being told that you 'picture paint'. You don't listen to the other person's model, you impose yours. Getting to know what's going on with someone requires engaging with their model, not just imposing yours. The term 'being hard on you,' was for me the equivalent of saying I am very critical of you and your views. Fact is, I am sitting in judgement of your views and have indeed been very critical of what I see to be a lack of clarity and even some deep delusions on your part. My opinion is that when it comes to spirituality in general, you are full of it. I see that as pretty critical, definitely judgement, but wholly accurate. If you didn't see me as being critical of you, you wouldn't give a rats arse what I saw on facebook. Okay. Yes, I do see and experience you criticizing my views, but for me, that's not the same as 'being hard on me'. So your apology was for criticizing my views? You really don't have to apologize for that, it's pretty healthy for views to be criticized. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 12, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
The term 'being hard on you,' was for me the equivalent of saying I am very critical of you and your views. Fact is, I am sitting in judgement of your views and have indeed been very critical of what I see to be a lack of clarity and even some deep delusions on your part. My opinion is that when it comes to spirituality in general, you are full of it. I see that as pretty critical, definitely judgement, but wholly accurate. If you didn't see me as being critical of you, you wouldn't give a rats arse what I saw on facebook. Okay. Yes, I do see and experience you criticizing my views, but for me, that's not the same as 'being hard on me'. So your apology was for criticizing my views? You really don't have to apologize for that, it's pretty healthy for views to be criticized. It wasn't the sort of apology where I felt I had been doing something wrong and was begging forgiveness....really, more just of an acknowledgement that the tides between us have turned quite drastically and that to have someone go from admiring you and seemingly resonating, to openly criticizing and questioning, even having some disdain for, perhaps isn't always the easiest, nicest thing to have happen. It's not like I felt you were melting under the pressure or anything though...or that you couldn't handle it, which seems to be the way you are taking it with all this twisting and turning to deny that I've been kind of 'hard on you.' My intent was not to say that I've been unfair, unjust, or in any way out of line, but really, just that I've been engaging you from a position of deep judgement, and I recognize that. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 12, 2018 17:06:30 GMT
Okay. Yes, I do see and experience you criticizing my views, but for me, that's not the same as 'being hard on me'. So your apology was for criticizing my views? You really don't have to apologize for that, it's pretty healthy for views to be criticized. It wasn't the sort of apology where I felt I had been doing something wrong and was begging forgiveness....really, more just of an acknowledgement that the tides between us have turned quite drastically and that to have someone go from admiring you and seemingly resonating, to openly criticizing and questioning, even having some disdain for, perhaps isn't always the easiest, nicest thing to have happen. It's not like I felt you were melting under the pressure or anything though...or that you couldn't handle it, which seems to be the way you are taking it with all this twisting and turning to deny that I've been kind of 'hard on you.' My intent was not to say that I've been unfair, unjust, or in any way out of line, but really, just that I've been engaging you from a position of deep judgement, and I recognize that. okie dokie, it's really okay to be criticizing my views. This forum has served me well, I don't come to a forum to be agreed with, and your criticism does make things interesting for me. Alright? |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 2, 2018 3:45:45 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. , nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. Then you haven't been paying attention.  |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 2, 2018 3:56:50 GMT
I don't experience you being 'hard on me and my views', nevertheless, I forgive you if it makes feel better. Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) GASP!  |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 2, 2018 5:12:48 GMT
Just wanted to revisit this; If you don't experience me as being hard on you and your views, what's behind your de-friending me on facebook? (Just noticed you and Jenn are now absent from my friend's list.) GASP! I have been told 'unfriend' is the more properer term.  Hehe...If someone had told me 8 months ago that Andrew would be my first 'unfriending' on facebook, I would have bet Gopal's life against it. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 2, 2018 7:07:41 GMT
GASP! I have been told 'unfriend' is the more properer term. Hehe...If someone had told me 8 months ago that Andrew would be my first 'unfriending' on facebook, I would have bet Gopal's life against it. Proof that all things are possible! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 7:49:57 GMT
E has been talking about this forever, as long as I can recall as I've engaged with him on forums. And it's just been recently that's this has really 'crystalized' for me. (In fact E, so much of what you've said and exactly how you've said it, is doing the same...I am also so clearly seeing why you often appear to be uncompromising in what you say....it is because you are speaking from a position of being completely steeped in seeing/experiencing 'one movement'). I've always maintained that the experience of doership continues to be engaged, even post the realization of this, but I am in fact clearly seeing that when 'one movement becomes primary', that engagement with/as a doer, really does die off. And when that happens, there are some very profound shifts that happen, for one, there is very little interest anymore in making and sticking to plans of action....why would that interest arise when it's clearly seen that things are unfolding in absolute perfect order. And Andrew, I'm sorry if I seem to be being hard on you and your views....fact is, your views provide the perfect juxtoposition to what is currently crystalizing for me. Do you know you are dreaming? If you know, you would be knowing that outer word doesn't exist too. Do you know outer world doesn't exist? If you do not know outer world doesn't exist, then you are not SR according Enigma The Phil! But don't lose the hope, according to Zendancer The Bob you are SR. |
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