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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 6:14:32 GMT
Do you know the meaning of 'preclude'? So SR precludes depression? You would have raised this question to Satch, but you have raised some other question which implicates that you do not know the meaning of the English word 'preclude'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 6:18:35 GMT
I think it goes back to what we mean by SR. yes, exactly. It seems there are several different definitions in play. Depression as I see it, denotes the kind of ongoing, pervasive resistance to life that just would not be compatible with the shift in the way life is seen and experience that follows the realization of Self. Most define it as a permanent shift that does not wax and wane, and that results in the end of suffering. I would equate depression with suffering...as I would any enduring state of emotional discord. Interesting...yes, I can see how that would be the case. I do have reference for the same (shorter periods of time though). Yup. to push against discordant feelings is only going to anchor them deeper....that said, no one imo, is ever gonna 'like' feeling emotional discord. When it comes to the topic of SR, ZD's(and someNOTHING) case always interest me much! He says he has realized who he is ! He says he has realized he is not the actor instead witness of what's happening, So he is placing himself in the witnessing mode and this allows him to perceive irritation and anger as well and this is forcing him to conclude everything is being witnessed. I don't agree with him here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 6:19:44 GMT
I would think then, that if someone is Self-Realized, that depression wouldn't be a problem for them. Just the people around them...  I would say if one is depressed, 'life' has become a problem for him. Exactly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 6:21:22 GMT
Well, it's not just junk food, it's anything you continue to identify with. So, for the depressed SR, it's a matter of not being fully established in the attitude towards what is appearing in you. Whaaaaaat? Depressed SR. Lol.  |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 26, 2017 16:56:36 GMT
yes, exactly. It seems there are several different definitions in play. Depression as I see it, denotes the kind of ongoing, pervasive resistance to life that just would not be compatible with the shift in the way life is seen and experience that follows the realization of Self. Most define it as a permanent shift that does not wax and wane, and that results in the end of suffering. I would equate depression with suffering...as I would any enduring state of emotional discord. Interesting...yes, I can see how that would be the case. I do have reference for the same (shorter periods of time though). Yup. to push against discordant feelings is only going to anchor them deeper....that said, no one imo, is ever gonna 'like' feeling emotional discord. Yes I pretty much agree. So part of what characterizes it is its enduring nature? I'd say so, yeah. Normally, feelings move. So if discord or a sense of suckiness arises, it moves on through....but, It seems in the case of depression, there is stagnancy....the sense of life sucking does not on through, but anchors in. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 26, 2017 16:59:51 GMT
I would say if one is depressed, 'life' has become a problem for him. One way to look at depression is as the appearance of thoughts, feelings and perceptions arising "IN" you. Being SR why would anything appearing "IN" you be a problem for life? But if nothing appearing in you is a problem, and it's been realized that there is no separation, nothing appearing at all then, is going to be a problem for life, thus, depression, has nothing from which to gain a foothold. Deep sadness, anger or fear require some very specific thoughts/thought patterns/forms of minding, to arise. Absent a belief in separation, how does that kind of minding happen? |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 26, 2017 17:04:06 GMT
yes, exactly. It seems there are several different definitions in play. Depression as I see it, denotes the kind of ongoing, pervasive resistance to life that just would not be compatible with the shift in the way life is seen and experience that follows the realization of Self. Most define it as a permanent shift that does not wax and wane, and that results in the end of suffering. I would equate depression with suffering...as I would any enduring state of emotional discord. Interesting...yes, I can see how that would be the case. I do have reference for the same (shorter periods of time though). Yup. to push against discordant feelings is only going to anchor them deeper....that said, no one imo, is ever gonna 'like' feeling emotional discord. When it comes to the topic of SR, ZD's(and someNOTHING) case always interest me much! He says he has realized who he is ! He says he has realized he is not the actor instead witness of what's happening, So he is placing himself in the witnessing mode and this allows him to perceive irritation and anger as well and this is forcing him to conclude everything is being witnessed. I don't agree with him here. Yeah, I get what you're saying. That makes it sound as though there are two of you...one who gets made and stuff, and the other who stands apart from that, observing, not getting involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 2:37:59 GMT
When it comes to the topic of SR, ZD's(and someNOTHING) case always interest me much! He says he has realized who he is ! He says he has realized he is not the actor instead witness of what's happening, So he is placing himself in the witnessing mode and this allows him to perceive irritation and anger as well and this is forcing him to conclude everything is being witnessed. I don't agree with him here. Yeah, I get what you're saying. That makes it sound as though there are two of you...one who gets made and stuff, and the other who stands apart from that, observing, not getting involved. The mistake gopal is making is to suggest that you can intentionally put yourself into a witnessing state to avoid suffering as a kind of strategy. That's not the witnessing that comes about from realizing your real nature is non dual awareness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 10:23:44 GMT
When it comes to the topic of SR, ZD's(and someNOTHING) case always interest me much! He says he has realized who he is ! He says he has realized he is not the actor instead witness of what's happening, So he is placing himself in the witnessing mode and this allows him to perceive irritation and anger as well and this is forcing him to conclude everything is being witnessed. I don't agree with him here. Yeah, I get what you're saying. That makes it sound as though there are two of you...one who gets made and stuff, and the other who stands apart from that, observing, not getting involved. That's actually good assumption but to be close that's not the case for them. ZD,Satch,someNOTHING three are saying that if you have seen the truth, then witnessing mode is automatic, no matter whatever happens they are witnessing the event eventhough they are completely involved in it. I don't understand what kind of freedom is this ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 11:04:19 GMT
Yeah, I get what you're saying. That makes it sound as though there are two of you...one who gets made and stuff, and the other who stands apart from that, observing, not getting involved. The mistake gopal is making is to suggest that you can intentionally put yourself into a witnessing state to avoid suffering as a kind of strategy. That's not the witnessing that comes about from realizing your real nature is non dual awareness. That's not the way I understood, read my previous comment where I made it very clear! |
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