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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 4:32:46 GMT
All the purification in the world wouldn't have prevented him from dying from something eventually. Yes, physical death is the prize at the end of all paths, including the path of purification.    |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 4:46:32 GMT
Am curious to hear opinions here; Was Niz's fatal cancer evidence of an absence of purification? That was one of the things I meant to imply in my OP on the original thread. So you were implying then that manifestations are evidence of purification or lack thereof? Is that straight across the board, or just manifestations regarding one's bodily health? As I see it, There are always gonna be issues with trying to judge the purity or lack thereof of others... And in particular in looking to the conditions that appear to surround the one we are observing. I say, if we're gonna try to assess one's purity through observation, it would be far more accurate to look to how they react/respond to conditions that arise, (particularly those that we ourselves would find challenging) rather than looking to the arising conditions itself, as proof of where they're at. If the dude who has cancer is truly at peace with it, it begs the question, where's the problem? |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 4:50:33 GMT
Our 'brokenness' consists of patterns of thinking and behavior that were originally intended to protect oneself. (i.e. denial, projection, unconsciousness) There was never an intention to suffer, either then or now. The attempt to avoid suffering is what the clinging is all about, and ultimately the cause of suffering. Ah yes, okay I see. Oh, I actually ended up agreeing with you, that folks do not specifically 'want' to suffer...but rather, there are wants and interests that get followed that ultimately lead them there. Okay, yeah. |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 4:52:51 GMT
It's the side that fell on the floor, right? It's always the side that falls on the floor. Yup....especially when I haven't vacuumed in a while.  (3 cats, a dog and a guinea pig....a hairy situation indeed). It just adds texture to the toast, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 4:54:10 GMT
All the purification in the world wouldn't have prevented him from dying from something eventually. Yes, physical death is the prize at the end of all paths, including the path of purification. "The body is but the mill of sh*it. You may put any type of good food in it, and it only turns into sh*it. The body is thus only a sh*it-producing machine. The great wonder of this is that the same body is useful as an instrument for the realization of Brahman." Master of Self-Realization An Ultimate Understanding. Spiritual Discourses of His Holiness Shri Sadguru Siddharameshwar Maharaj Recorded by Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 4:55:40 GMT
Am curious to hear opinions here; Was Niz's fatal cancer evidence of an absence of purification? All the purification in the world wouldn't have prevented him from dying from something eventually. I've made the same argument, but the issue is about how painful or peaceful, sudden or protracted the death is. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 4:55:52 GMT
Yup....especially when I haven't vacuumed in a while. (3 cats, a dog and a guinea pig....a hairy situation indeed). It just adds texture to the toast, right?  |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 4:58:39 GMT
Okay. I think I can see which side your bread is buttered on, re: this issue. Maybe Enigma has a way of purification, or eradicating the pine beetle to restore balance in nature. If we were able to see the big picture, most likely the pine beetle was what restored balance. It also could be that man threw a monkey wrench in the works, which he is prone to do. |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 5:01:20 GMT
Ah yes, okay I see. Oh, I actually ended up agreeing with you, that folks do not specifically 'want' to suffer...but rather, there are wants and interests that get followed that ultimately lead them there. So if your child was suffering from an incurable disease, you wouldn't want to change places with them? To answer that, find out which option would result in less suffering for her. |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 5:04:01 GMT
So if your child was suffering from an incurable disease, you wouldn't want to change places with them? So yes, I guess technically that specific example would fit the bill for one 'wanting' to suffer....but it is a pretty specialized situation. It is interesting indeed that you'd use that scenario. I wonder...Did you arrive at that out of thin air, or is it related to something I've shared previously? Wouldn't that mean that you would suffer more if you didn't change places? |
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(3 cats, a dog and a guinea pig....a hairy situation indeed).