Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 1:48:10 GMT
When a pine beetle infestation wipes out an entire forest, was it because of an absence of purification?  Okay. I think I can see which side your bread is buttered on, re: this issue.  It's the side that fell on the floor, right? It's always the side that falls on the floor. |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 14, 2017 1:53:58 GMT
Oh, I see every day on this forum why it doesn't work, and it's not about the path. We cling to our brokenness as though our lives depend on it. Interesting. Recently you rebutted the assertion that on some level, folks want to suffer. How is what you said here different from that..? Our 'brokenness' consists of patterns of thinking and behavior that were originally intended to protect oneself. (i.e. denial, projection, unconsciousness) There was never an intention to suffer, either then or now. The attempt to avoid suffering is what the clinging is all about, and ultimately the cause of suffering. In what way do peeps want to suffer? |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 2:09:39 GMT
Our 'brokenness' consists of patterns of thinking and behavior that were originally intended to protect oneself. (i.e. denial, projection, unconsciousness) There was never an intention to suffer, either then or now. The attempt to avoid suffering is what the clinging is all about, and ultimately the cause of suffering. Ah yes, okay I see. Oh, I actually ended up agreeing with you, that folks do not specifically 'want' to suffer...but rather, there are wants and interests that get followed that ultimately lead them there. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 2:11:57 GMT
Okay. I think I can see which side your bread is buttered on, re: this issue. It's the side that fell on the floor, right? It's always the side that falls on the floor. Yup....especially when I haven't vacuumed in a while.  (3 cats, a dog and a guinea pig....a hairy situation indeed). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:14:03 GMT
Am curious to hear opinions here; Was Niz's fatal cancer evidence of an absence of purification? All the purification in the world wouldn't have prevented him from dying from something eventually. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:45:38 GMT
When a pine beetle infestation wipes out an entire forest, was it because of an absence of purification? Okay. I think I can see which side your bread is buttered on, re: this issue. Maybe Enigma has a way of purification, or eradicating the pine beetle to restore balance in nature. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:49:29 GMT
Oh, I see every day on this forum why it doesn't work, and it's not about the path. We cling to our brokenness as though our lives depend on it. Interesting. Recently you rebutted the assertion that on some level, folks want to suffer. How is what you said here different from that..? He was having a good day that day, and is now balancing it out by creating brokenness in his world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:55:59 GMT
Our 'brokenness' consists of patterns of thinking and behavior that were originally intended to protect oneself. (i.e. denial, projection, unconsciousness) There was never an intention to suffer, either then or now. The attempt to avoid suffering is what the clinging is all about, and ultimately the cause of suffering. Ah yes, okay I see. Oh, I actually ended up agreeing with you, that folks do not specifically 'want' to suffer...but rather, there are wants and interests that get followed that ultimately lead them there. So if your child was suffering from an incurable disease, you wouldn't want to change places with them? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 3:03:36 GMT
Am curious to hear opinions here; Was Niz's fatal cancer evidence of an absence of purification? All the purification in the world wouldn't have prevented him from dying from something eventually. Yes, physical death is the prize at the end of all paths, including the path of purification. |
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Post by Figgles on Jul 14, 2017 4:17:56 GMT
Ah yes, okay I see. Oh, I actually ended up agreeing with you, that folks do not specifically 'want' to suffer...but rather, there are wants and interests that get followed that ultimately lead them there. So if your child was suffering from an incurable disease, you wouldn't want to change places with them? The strongest want in that case would be for my child 'not to' suffer with the disease. In changing places with them (if that could actually happen) I would be saying that my suffering is preferred to his suffering. So yes, I guess technically that specific example would fit the bill for one 'wanting' to suffer....but it is a pretty specialized situation. It is interesting indeed that you'd use that scenario. I wonder...Did you arrive at that out of thin air, or is it related to something I've shared previously? |
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(3 cats, a dog and a guinea pig....a hairy situation indeed).