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Post by Gopal on Aug 12, 2021 6:55:17 GMT
Then you still did not realize the rollercoaster. It's not easy for everybody to know that their life is in rollercoaster. It is not easy.
What??? The status-quo, seeker state is; Feeling happy, feeling unhappy and trying not to feel unhappy...trying to feel happy. There is no realization inherent to that....to transcend that, there must be a realization. You have things backwards. I am not talking about trying not to feel unhappy. I am asking whether you have realized the rollercoaster movement of your life? I am sure you haven't. It's not easy! direct seeing is necessary. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 12, 2021 6:56:35 GMT
You know that they are wrong, what's the point of taking their post and refuting them all the time. They don't even care about what you write here. If you want to argue with them, login into ST and argue with them, But remember if you don't praise what ZD writes, then your post will be deleted. So learn to write like Laffy, for an example, " You know we will never agree in this place! And it's not because "ZD is my beloved". " this kind of statement makes ZD happy. They are not completely devoid of insight. I think they are both at least awake to consensus trance. They both have some degree of conceptual understanding about Nonduality...so there IS some degree of commonality there in terms of conversing from a place of general understanding/resonance. And, fwiw, doesn't really matter either way, but they clearly DO care what I write here...as they always counter my assertions indirectly over there....although sometimes directly too. If I could log into ST I would. Each time I try I get a blank page with a message saying my IP is banned from the forum. There's no way for me to log in. But yes, I agree, if you want to remain unbanned on that forum, you have to cowtow to ZD and Reefs. Sign of the times. yes. Laffy is good at that. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 12, 2021 19:33:17 GMT
What??? The status-quo, seeker state is; Feeling happy, feeling unhappy and trying not to feel unhappy...trying to feel happy. There is no realization inherent to that....to transcend that, there must be a realization. You have things backwards. I am not talking about trying not to feel unhappy. I am asking whether you have realized the rollercoaster movement of your life? I am sure you haven't. It's not easy! direct seeing is necessary. You seriously need to ask that after all these years of us having conversations and agreement about the "roller-coaster" of life? |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 15, 2021 5:37:32 GMT
I am not talking about trying not to feel unhappy. I am asking whether you have realized the rollercoaster movement of your life? I am sure you haven't. It's not easy! direct seeing is necessary. You seriously need to ask that after all these years of us having conversations and agreement about the "roller-coaster" of life? Yes, still I have the question as to whether you have realized the rollercoaster or not because you sometimes talk like you don't about what roller coaster is! |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2021 7:17:38 GMT
You seriously need to ask that after all these years of us having conversations and agreement about the "roller-coaster" of life? Yes, still I have the question as to whether you have realized the rollercoaster or not because you sometimes talk like you don't about what roller coaster is! Experience is comprised of circumstance that at times conforms with personal likes and at other times, doesn't comform to personal likes....feelings move up and down the emotional scale, accordingly... none of that a problem so long as it's all seen to be empty appearance only, appearing within/to that which abides, no imagined SVP 'who/that' is liking or not liking, or who is giving rise to the feelings. All ups and downs....all drama, just a play...a dream...a story...a movie..appearing to no one. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 15, 2021 9:03:36 GMT
Yes, still I have the question as to whether you have realized the rollercoaster or not because you sometimes talk like you don't about what roller coaster is! Experience is comprised of circumstance that at times conforms with personal likes and at other times, doesn't comform to personal likes....feelings move up and down the emotional scale, accordingly... none of that a problem so long as it's all seen to be empty appearance only, appearing within/to that which abides, no imagined SVP 'who/that' is liking or not liking, or who is giving rise to the feelings. All ups and downs....all drama, just a play...a dream...a story...a movie..appearing to no one. I can write 1000 such stories because I know Enigma has written about this rollercoaster story a lot. But have you realized about this rollercoaster? Its not easy for everyone to see. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2021 18:59:57 GMT
Experience is comprised of circumstance that at times conforms with personal likes and at other times, doesn't comform to personal likes....feelings move up and down the emotional scale, accordingly... none of that a problem so long as it's all seen to be empty appearance only, appearing within/to that which abides, no imagined SVP 'who/that' is liking or not liking, or who is giving rise to the feelings. All ups and downs....all drama, just a play...a dream...a story...a movie..appearing to no one. I can write 1000 such stories because I know Enigma has written about this rollercoaster story a lot. But have you realized about this rollercoaster? Its not easy for everyone to see. Using my own words there, I described 'the roller-coaster,' but you seem to be suggesting I am parroting Enigma's words...? I'm not sure how I can convince you otherwise. Yeah, I see the roller-coastering of experience. I don't know how anyone could NOT see it. It's pretty obvious. & There is nothing to realize 'about' the roller-coastering, the up and down of the experience of liking/not liking, ebbing and flowing of feeling, other than it's a facet of overall experience. To suggest there is something that can be 'realized about' the roller-coaster, other than it is empty appearance only, a pattern of the dream, and to call that Truth, means the presence of delusion. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2021 22:24:55 GMT
Forget 'loop-de-loop-....this!!   |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 15, 2021 22:26:15 GMT
Or....Perhaps this one if the 'off track entirely' metaphor don't work!   |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 18, 2021 6:24:59 GMT
Yes, still I have the question as to whether you have realized the rollercoaster or not because you sometimes talk like you don't about what roller coaster is! Experience is comprised of circumstance that at times conforms with personal likes and at other times, doesn't comform to personal likes....feelings move up and down the emotional scale, accordingly... none of that a problem so long as it's all seen to be empty appearance only, appearing within/to that which abides, no imagined SVP 'who/that' is liking or not liking, or who is giving rise to the feelings. All ups and downs....all drama, just a play...a dream...a story...a movie..appearing to no one. Experiencing is not moving separately, you are creating your own experience. I know this is new idea for you. But I would like to tell that I have already gotten bored of repeating this idea. So don't want to go further. |
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