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Post by Figgles on Aug 6, 2021 21:27:43 GMT
I know right...? It's hard to concretely define....hard to put into words because even before SR, feelings in any given moment are not always black and white like that...they don't necessarily fall into hard categorization of happy vs. not happy....but in SR, feelings are even more of a mix, and that's because of the abiding absence of an SVP, which makes for a generally pervading sense of okayness, in even the face of something appearing that is disliked/unwanted/not intended. I believe that your question & gopal's answer point both to the problem and to the solution: decide what you want, want it, expect it confidently. If you don't know what makes you happy, who's to know?  Hey Inavalan...welcome! I think you've hit on a good point. It's easier to ascertain if what's currently appearing is what's wanted/personally preferred/liked vs. whether or not the current feeling arising falls under happy or unhappy. That said, the whole issue of problem/solution assumes a person involved to whom it very much matters, specifically 'what' is currently arising/appearing. Absent identification with/as a separate entity and all his likes/dislikes, there's generally, a pervasive, underlying acceptance of whatever is happening/arising, thus, no sense of needing to control the unfolding story. LOA is for entities who deem it important to control the dream. The desire to control outcomes is always indicative of an imagined separate, volitional entity. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 7, 2021 17:34:38 GMT
Figs .. sorry if I was a little hard with you tonight. Just my own shit. You know how it is. No worries man!!    |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 7, 2021 18:40:30 GMT
I freakin' love that pic!! |
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Post by muttley on Aug 7, 2021 22:59:24 GMT
I freakin' love that pic!! Gee. I can't imagine why. ...  |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 10, 2021 3:50:15 GMT
I freakin' love that pic!! Gee. I can't imagine why. ... Oh, but you CAN imagine why....your entire idea of 'why' IS imagination. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 10, 2021 12:02:23 GMT
Gee. I can't imagine why. ... Oh, but you CAN imagine why....your entire idea of 'why' IS imagination. Sure, which is really only one shade away from our apparently shared amusement about it. |
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Post by Gopal on Aug 11, 2021 4:24:35 GMT
Don't know what to say when you ask me what is happiness. I know right...? It's hard to concretely define....hard to put into words because even before SR, feelings in any given moment are not always black and white like that...they don't necessarily fall into hard categorization of happy vs. not happy....but in SR, feelings are even more of a mix, and that's because of the abiding absence of an SVP, which makes for a generally pervading sense of okayness, in even the face of something appearing that is disliked/unwanted/not intended. Then you still did not realize the rollercoaster. It's not easy for everybody to know that their life is in rollercoaster. It is not easy.
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Post by Gopal on Aug 11, 2021 4:29:14 GMT
I always wonder why she is doing it. Plain and simply, I love writing about/talking about/pointing to Truth....the more subtle and nuanced it gets, for me...the more advanced the level/depth of the pointing, the better. You will rarely see me responding to posts of those who are at a very beginners level. I much prefer addressing the more subtle delusions of the more advanced spiritual seeker. ZD and Reefs are well into all this. They have a good solid grasp on conceptual Nonduality, but in my estimation, they are not actually awake TO the dream, merely awake IN the dream. In that though, they provide perfect fodder for pointing beyond the dream. I admit I do have a bit of fun lightly poking at times as I comment, and feel no need to hold back in that considering the ground-rules they themselves set back on ST for our mode of interaction, but all that really does take a back-seat to my interest in and love for these discussions. While I absolutely love writing about/pointing to Truth, absent something to point away from (delusion, in it's myriad of forms) there's just not much to say about the Truth. But for the presence of delusion, there is nothing to point to....nothing to wake up to. You know that they are wrong, what's the point of taking their post and refuting them all the time. They don't even care about what you write here. If you want to argue with them, login into ST and argue with them, But remember if you don't praise what ZD writes, then your post will be deleted. So learn to write like Laffy, for an example, " You know we will never agree in this place! And it's not because "ZD is my beloved". " this kind of statement makes ZD happy. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 11, 2021 5:39:07 GMT
I know right...? It's hard to concretely define....hard to put into words because even before SR, feelings in any given moment are not always black and white like that...they don't necessarily fall into hard categorization of happy vs. not happy....but in SR, feelings are even more of a mix, and that's because of the abiding absence of an SVP, which makes for a generally pervading sense of okayness, in even the face of something appearing that is disliked/unwanted/not intended. Then you still did not realize the rollercoaster. It's not easy for everybody to know that their life is in rollercoaster. It is not easy.
What??? The status-quo, seeker state is; Feeling happy, feeling unhappy and trying not to feel unhappy...trying to feel happy. There is no realization inherent to that....to transcend that, there must be a realization. You have things backwards. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 11, 2021 5:45:50 GMT
Plain and simply, I love writing about/talking about/pointing to Truth....the more subtle and nuanced it gets, for me...the more advanced the level/depth of the pointing, the better. You will rarely see me responding to posts of those who are at a very beginners level. I much prefer addressing the more subtle delusions of the more advanced spiritual seeker. ZD and Reefs are well into all this. They have a good solid grasp on conceptual Nonduality, but in my estimation, they are not actually awake TO the dream, merely awake IN the dream. In that though, they provide perfect fodder for pointing beyond the dream. I admit I do have a bit of fun lightly poking at times as I comment, and feel no need to hold back in that considering the ground-rules they themselves set back on ST for our mode of interaction, but all that really does take a back-seat to my interest in and love for these discussions. While I absolutely love writing about/pointing to Truth, absent something to point away from (delusion, in it's myriad of forms) there's just not much to say about the Truth. But for the presence of delusion, there is nothing to point to....nothing to wake up to. You know that they are wrong, what's the point of taking their post and refuting them all the time. They don't even care about what you write here. If you want to argue with them, login into ST and argue with them, But remember if you don't praise what ZD writes, then your post will be deleted. So learn to write like Laffy, for an example, " You know we will never agree in this place! And it's not because "ZD is my beloved". " this kind of statement makes ZD happy. They are not completely devoid of insight. I think they are both at least awake to consensus trance. They both have some degree of conceptual understanding about Nonduality...so there IS some degree of commonality there in terms of conversing from a place of general understanding/resonance. And, fwiw, doesn't really matter either way, but they clearly DO care what I write here...as they always counter my assertions indirectly over there....although sometimes directly too. If I could log into ST I would. Each time I try I get a blank page with a message saying my IP is banned from the forum. There's no way for me to log in. But yes, I agree, if you want to remain unbanned on that forum, you have to cowtow to ZD and Reefs. Sign of the times. |
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