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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 12:00:59 GMT
I am perceiving so I am consciousness, What other evidence do you want me to give you? What's the realization? Knowing the truth,right? Observing the greater movement is the way consciousness really creates! It's not the way we assume consciousness creates, for an example, controlling would terminate our certain kind of feeling is what we imagine the way consciousness creates, but in truth, consciousness recreate our controlling if we influence the controlling in our flow, this is KNOWING, this is realization, this is knowing about the way consciousness creates! Read here spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/1036 How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . Situation changes by itself once you have directly seen the truth. |
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Post by Tenka on May 31, 2017 12:15:27 GMT
How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . Situation changes by itself once you have directly seen the truth. You didn't understand my question . How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . I am not speaking about situations changing, I am speaking of how you realized what you did regarding consciousness / perceiver . |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 12:17:00 GMT
Situation changes by itself once you have directly seen the truth. You didn't understand my question . How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . I am not speaking about situations changing, I am speaking of how you realized what you did regarding consciousness / perceiver . Direct seeing is realization. when you see the illusion of control, that illusion is seen through. |
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Post by Tenka on May 31, 2017 12:24:10 GMT
You didn't understand my question . How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . I am not speaking about situations changing, I am speaking of how you realized what you did regarding consciousness / perceiver . Direct seeing is realization. when you see the illusion of control, that illusion is seen through. So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? |
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Post by Andrew on May 31, 2017 13:24:54 GMT
Direct seeing is realization. when you see the illusion of control, that illusion is seen through. So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? interesting point. My first direct seeing was like...'woah I am not who and what I thought I was'. I had no idea of who or what I really was, just knew that my long held idea of who and what I was, was wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 14:40:34 GMT
I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. You don't need SR to see yourself. You can watch how you talk, how you move, how you stand, your attitude, your tendencies, your thoughts, etc, etc.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 14:43:50 GMT
S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well I believe the one who sees the third point must be the Self-Realized one. 'Intellectually' knowing what you really are, is self-bullsh*t. Perceiving and experiencing what you really are is true knowing. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:56:07 GMT
Direct seeing is realization. when you see the illusion of control, that illusion is seen through. So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? No, I explained realization is direct seeing ! To know I am perceiver/consciousness, I don't have to realize anything bigger, I know I am perceiver even in this moment. If I had never heard of the word consciousness before, the word consciousness would not be arriving in mind, but I know I am perceiver, later when I heard of the word consciousness, I had related that word to that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:57:00 GMT
So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? interesting point. My first direct seeing was like...'woah I am not who and what I thought I was'. I had no idea of who or what I really was, just knew that my long held idea of who and what I was, was wrong. In what way? To me the same thing happened, I thought I am a choice make and perceiver, but later I directly seen the truth of I am a creator of what I perceive. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 15:57:51 GMT
Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well I believe the one who sees the third point must be the Self-Realized one. 'Intellectually' knowing what you really are, is self-bullsh*t. Perceiving and experiencing what you really are is true knowing. I am a perceiver is self-evident like I exist. |
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