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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 10:56:52 GMT
If I answer the question, you may think I am wrong and I may think you are wrong, Andrew may think we both are wrong because Andrew is such a strong believer of objective reality. Okay, let me assume you are a realized one. Can you tell me who am I? What's the nature of me? Don't worry about what other peeps think about what you think . Lets stick with the truth that was realized in regards to what I am / you are . You spoke about knowing truth of what you are . Who you really are? |
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 11:53:37 GMT
Don't worry about what other peeps think about what you think . Lets stick with the truth that was realized in regards to what I am / you are . You spoke about knowing truth of what you are . Who you really are? Lets stick with what you said . I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am!So what was the truth of what was realized in relation to what you are . |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 12:56:51 GMT
Lets stick with what you said . I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am!So what was the truth of what was realized in relation to what you are . I have already answered here I believe in third possibility S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 13:11:15 GMT
Lets stick with what you said . I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am!So what was the truth of what was realized in relation to what you are . I have already answered here I believe in third possibilityYes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well
How can it just be a possibility if this truth is what is realized? It either is realized or it isn't . I am not interested in possibilities, I am after concrete realizations pertaining to what you are . Were just coming away from the realization itself otherwise . |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:14:17 GMT
I have already answered here I believe in third possibilityHow can it just be a possibility if this truth is what is realized? It either is realized or it isn't . I am not interested in possibilities, I am after concrete realizations pertaining to what you are . Were just coming away from the realization itself otherwise . Everybody knows that they are consciousness and perceiver, but I know I am creator of that perception as well. I have directly seen that. |
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 13:38:59 GMT
How can it just be a possibility if this truth is what is realized? It either is realized or it isn't . I am not interested in possibilities, I am after concrete realizations pertaining to what you are . Were just coming away from the realization itself otherwise . Everybody knows that they are consciousness and perceiver, but I know I am creator of that perception as well. I have directly seen that. What do you mean, everybody knows? Is everybody Self realized then? Not sure why your mixing up possibilities with direct seeing . In the realization itself was I am present? .. directly seeing that I am is the creator / perceiver . You have already mentioned that consciousness and all that jazz is a thought that you relate to I am.. There is no thought in the realization itself .. so how can what is thought be true .. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 13:53:44 GMT
Everybody knows that they are consciousness and perceiver, but I know I am creator of that perception as well. I have directly seen that. What do you mean, everybody knows? Is everybody Self realized then? Not sure why your mixing up possibilities with direct seeing . In the realization itself was I am present? .. directly seeing that I am is the creator / perceiver . You have already mentioned that consciousness and all that jazz is a thought that you relate to I am.. There is no thought in the realization itself .. so how can what is thought be true .. Realization is observing the greater movement of universe in my view. I see situation changes by itself once I directly seen! So I am not only observer, I am creator of that whole situation as well. So I am creating and perceiving simultaneously. Today Enigma has written a post, I will point you there. |
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Post by Tenka on May 31, 2017 6:55:34 GMT
What do you mean, everybody knows? Is everybody Self realized then? Not sure why your mixing up possibilities with direct seeing . In the realization itself was I am present? .. directly seeing that I am is the creator / perceiver . You have already mentioned that consciousness and all that jazz is a thought that you relate to I am.. There is no thought in the realization itself .. so how can what is thought be true ..
I see situation changes by itself once I directly seen! So I am not only observer, I am creator of that whole situation as well. So I am creating and perceiving simultaneously. Today Enigma has written a post, I will point you there. Are you referring to the realization itself or are you speaking of being present in this world understanding how the world works . You have been speaking of consciousness and such likes, and I have asked you is that what is realized . You say everybody knows that I am is consciousness and such likes and I still don't know how you or everyone else has realized that . I am more interested in your realization / evaluation rather than pointing to what E says, butt I will take a peek . |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 7:08:13 GMT
Realization is observing the greater movement of universe in my view. I see situation changes by itself once I directly seen! So I am not only observer, I am creator of that whole situation as well. So I am creating and perceiving simultaneously. Today Enigma has written a post, I will point you there. Are you referring to the realization itself or are you speaking of being present in this world understanding how the world works . You have been speaking of consciousness and such likes, and I have asked you is that what is realized . You say everybody knows that I am is consciousness and such likes and I still don't know how you or everyone else has realized that . I am more interested in your realization / evaluation rather than pointing to what E says, butt I will take a peek . I am perceiving so I am consciousness, What other evidence do you want me to give you? What's the realization? Knowing the truth,right? Observing the greater movement is the way consciousness really creates! It's not the way we assume consciousness creates, for an example, controlling would terminate our certain kind of feeling is what we imagine the way consciousness creates, but in truth, consciousness recreate our controlling if we influence the controlling in our flow, this is KNOWING, this is realization, this is knowing about the way consciousness creates! Read here spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/1036 |
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Post by Tenka on May 31, 2017 11:45:38 GMT
Are you referring to the realization itself or are you speaking of being present in this world understanding how the world works . You have been speaking of consciousness and such likes, and I have asked you is that what is realized . You say everybody knows that I am is consciousness and such likes and I still don't know how you or everyone else has realized that . I am more interested in your realization / evaluation rather than pointing to what E says, butt I will take a peek . , What other evidence do you want me to give you? What's the realization? Knowing the truth,right? Observing the greater movement is the way consciousness really creates! It's not the way we assume consciousness creates, for an example, controlling would terminate our certain kind of feeling is what we imagine the way consciousness creates, but in truth, consciousness recreate our controlling if we influence the controlling in our flow, this is KNOWING, this is realization, this is knowing about the way consciousness creates! Read here spiritualgab.freeforums.net/post/1036How was that realized / concluded / evaluated / concocted . |
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