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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 21:04:11 GMT
I don't know either.  I think the answer lies in a secret handshake .   Either that or clarity of mind which comes via not knowing, what one does not know. It is the end of self-bullsh*tting...hehe |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 21:07:18 GMT
That may be the ultimate realization, but the basic requirements of human beings is pleasure, peace and happiness. Yes. I meant the ultimate realization is meaningless, unless the basic requirement of peace is being expressed. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 6:47:47 GMT
I think the answer lies in a secret handshake . Either that or clarity of mind which comes via not knowing, what one does not know. It is the end of self-bullsh*tting...hehe I'll stick with the handshake |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 15:22:56 GMT
Either that or clarity of mind which comes via not knowing, what one does not know. It is the end of self-bullsh*tting...hehe I'll stick with the handshake Okay, I will stick with not knowing...lol |
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Post by zendancer2 on Jun 28, 2017 1:51:25 GMT
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Post by zendancer2 on Jun 28, 2017 4:31:54 GMT
We are trying to understand who we really are,right? What else? For an example, you might have watched avatar movie, where our hero is a handicapped person but when his spirit was entered into the body of of a new avatar, he started to walk and run, What if he has forgotten where does he come from? If he has forgotten, then he starts to identify himself to be a new avatar and he will forget that he is actually a human being, this is what identification is! So understanding who we really are paves the way for us SR, that's what SR is, right? or do you have some other meaning for that? So I am saying, I knew I was a perceiver, but I don't know that I create what I perceive, I have directly seen this when I directly noticed the universal re-orchestration as a result of some kind of clarity. So who am I? I am a creator as well as perceiver. If you know this truth, then you self-realized in my dictionary. What kind of clarity are we speaking about that you say happened to you as a result of direct seeing / S.R. . Are you relating your moment of clarity to something like isaac newtons moment of understanding universal gravitation? If you are then this is not S.R. If you are speaking about realizing what you are in and of itself then there is no understanding of the universe revealed at this point . One may however relate to the universe in reflection of what they are post-realization . Your not saying how you attained a moment of clarity .. did an apple fall on your head or was you in deep sleep, meditation, beyond mind, no self etc etc . |
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Post by Enigma on Jul 4, 2017 22:04:40 GMT
Your not really explaining to me how you came about clarity . You speak of direct seeing and S.R. and I am still none the wiser in understanding how you came to your understanding . Let me put it this way, when it rains on your head, you have a direct experience relating to what you are and the rain . You then have an understanding of what you are and what rain is .. I don't know how you have realized / directly seen the workings of the universe . You simply know you are consciousness or perceiver, but how could you know you are the creator of that perception as well is the question, that require the direct seeing of clarity and followed by physical universe re-orchestration. When you see that you are the core and foundation of everything that could possibly arise, you know that it is all there is, there is no question of whether or not you are the creator of what you perceive. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 7:08:06 GMT
You simply know you are consciousness or perceiver, but how could you know you are the creator of that perception as well is the question, that require the direct seeing of clarity and followed by physical universe re-orchestration. When you see that you are the core and foundation of everything that could possibly arise, you know that it is all there is, there is no question of whether or not you are the creator of what you perceive. I am not understanding you here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:14:48 GMT
When you see that you are the core and foundation of everything that could possibly arise, you know that it is all there is, there is no question of whether or not you are the creator of what you perceive. I am not understanding you here. He sees himself as the creator and not the created. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 31, 2017 16:05:31 GMT
I am not understanding you here. He sees himself as the creator and not the created. Gopal has made it super duper clear that he's talking about himself, and me, as Awareness/Consciousness, which is both the creator and created. Gopal: You simply know you are consciousness or perceiver, but how could you know you are the creator of that perception as well |
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