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Post by Andrew on May 31, 2017 20:19:13 GMT
interesting point. My first direct seeing was like...'woah I am not who and what I thought I was'. I had no idea of who or what I really was, just knew that my long held idea of who and what I was, was wrong. In what way? To me the same thing happened, I thought I am a choice make and perceiver, but later I directly seen the truth of I am a creator of what I perceive. Well, when I had my first direct seeing, I had no concept of 'consciousness', or 'awareness' or 'Being' or 'creator' or any other spiritual words. I mean, I knew those words, but only in an every day context and never thought about them. So when I looked in a mirror and saw straight through the conditioning, all I knew was that what was looking back at me wasn't who or what I had thought he was. It was baffling, but at the same time, very entrancing. I just stared for about 5 minutes. Not long after that, I was introduced to the idea of 'true self' or 'unconditioned self', and that was my first real step in the world of spiritually related concepts. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 1, 2017 6:58:31 GMT
S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. You don't need SR to see yourself. You can watch how you talk, how you move, how you stand, your attitude, your tendencies, your thoughts, etc, etc.... I agree . S.R. however opens doors regarding how we see ourselves . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 1, 2017 7:03:13 GMT
So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? interesting point. My first direct seeing was like...'woah I am not who and what I thought I was'. I had no idea of who or what I really was, just knew that my long held idea of who and what I was, was wrong.For that period of time that's all you could relate yourself to being innit . When there is comparison had it's like 'woah' I exist beyond that .. It seems to be the immediate norm to then think I must be this which was beyond that, butt it can settle down enough so that one see's that what this is beyond that is also this and that which has always been . It's why I don't entertain one is not this or not that butt I am rather this instead .. based upon a comparison had that blows ya sockies off  . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 1, 2017 7:10:45 GMT
So direct seeing brought about the notion as a thought that you are consciousness / perceiver? .. If you had never heard of the word consciousness before, do you think the thought of that word would of presented itself to you at the moment of direct seeing? No, I explained realization is direct seeing ! To know I am perceiver/consciousness, I don't have to realize anything bigger, I know I am perceiver even in this moment. If I had never heard of the word consciousness before, the word consciousness would not be arriving in mind, but I know I am perceiver, later when I heard of the word consciousness, I had related that word to that. Well you spoke about S.R. and everybody knows one is consciousness and such likes . I was trying to gauge whether your direct seeing is what I relate S.R. to being . Trying to fathom out if 'I am' or gopal was present when understanding how the universe works . So we have now established that S.R. doesn't reveal that one is consciousness so what's next is how direct seeing / S.R. and knowing how the universe works fits together in relation to I am Gopal . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 7:39:05 GMT
In what way? To me the same thing happened, I thought I am a choice make and perceiver, but later I directly seen the truth of I am a creator of what I perceive. Well, when I had my first direct seeing, I had no concept of 'consciousness', or 'awareness' or 'Being' or 'creator' or any other spiritual words. I mean, I knew those words, but only in an every day context and never thought about them. So when I looked in a mirror and saw straight through the conditioning, all I knew was that what was looking back at me wasn't who or what I had thought he was. It was baffling, but at the same time, very entrancing. I just stared for about 5 minutes. Not long after that, I was introduced to the idea of 'true self' or 'unconditioned self', and that was my first real step in the world of spiritually related concepts. okay |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 7:39:23 GMT
You don't need SR to see yourself. You can watch how you talk, how you move, how you stand, your attitude, your tendencies, your thoughts, etc, etc.... I agree . S.R. however opens doors regarding how we see ourselves . Yes, agree! It allows us to see as a creator. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 7:41:51 GMT
No, I explained realization is direct seeing ! To know I am perceiver/consciousness, I don't have to realize anything bigger, I know I am perceiver even in this moment. If I had never heard of the word consciousness before, the word consciousness would not be arriving in mind, but I know I am perceiver, later when I heard of the word consciousness, I had related that word to that. Well you spoke about S.R. and everybody knows one is consciousness and such likes . I was trying to gauge whether your direct seeing is what I relate S.R. to being . Trying to fathom out if 'I am' or gopal was present when understanding how the universe works . So we have now established that S.R. doesn't reveal that one is consciousness so what's next is how direct seeing / S.R. and knowing how the universe works fits together in relation to I am Gopal . I was knowing that I am consciousness and I considered myself to be perceiver and choice maker, but later I have directly seen the truth of 'everything arises from me' or I create the the perception which I see. So Identification changes from choice maker and perceiver to creator and perceiver. That's SR, SR means Self-realization, Self-realization means knowing who you really are! |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 2, 2017 6:44:01 GMT
Well you spoke about S.R. and everybody knows one is consciousness and such likes . I was trying to gauge whether your direct seeing is what I relate S.R. to being . Trying to fathom out if 'I am' or gopal was present when understanding how the universe works . So we have now established that S.R. doesn't reveal that one is consciousness so what's next is how direct seeing / S.R. and knowing how the universe works fits together in relation to I am Gopal . I was knowing that I am consciousness and I considered myself to be perceiver and choice maker, but later I have directly seen the truth of 'everything arises from me' or I create the the perception which I see. So Identification changes from choice maker and perceiver to creator and perceiver. That's SR, SR means Self-realization, Self-realization means knowing who you really are! How did you arrive at that understanding / knowing . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:29:21 GMT
I was knowing that I am consciousness and I considered myself to be perceiver and choice maker, but later I have directly seen the truth of 'everything arises from me' or I create the the perception which I see. So Identification changes from choice maker and perceiver to creator and perceiver. That's SR, SR means Self-realization, Self-realization means knowing who you really are! How did you arrive at that understanding / knowing . Clarity or clear seeing recreate your universe, So you can clearly see ! |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 2, 2017 8:49:54 GMT
How did you arrive at that understanding / knowing . Clarity or clear seeing recreate your universe, So you can clearly see ! Your not really explaining to me how you came about clarity . You speak of direct seeing and S.R. and I am still none the wiser in understanding how you came to your understanding . Let me put it this way, when it rains on your head, you have a direct experience relating to what you are and the rain . You then have an understanding of what you are and what rain is .. I don't know how you have realized / directly seen the workings of the universe . |
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