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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 18:55:25 GMT
People suffer because they identified themselves to be something else other than human? What it is they have identified with? There has to be something present for that something to identify themselves as that . Doesn't matter what one relates what they are with or too .. It's an automatic process of elimination / evaluation . You look at the tree and see that you are either the same as the tree or not . Either way one identifies what they perceive with what you are . Beyond perception is beyond identification . That beyond ness is also beyond attachment, butt you would be surprised in how many peeps say they are unattached and not self identified . There able to make such a statement through the very same self attachment / identification that is supposedly absent . I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2017 19:25:47 GMT
There has to be something present for that something to identify themselves as that . Doesn't matter what one relates what they are with or too .. It's an automatic process of elimination / evaluation . You look at the tree and see that you are either the same as the tree or not . Either way one identifies what they perceive with what you are . Beyond perception is beyond identification . That beyond ness is also beyond attachment, butt you would be surprised in how many peeps say they are unattached and not self identified . There able to make such a statement through the very same self attachment / identification that is supposedly absent . I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). Maharishi Mahesh Yogi agrees with you, Gopal. Here is the way he relates what you are describing.... "The unity of unmanifested absolute Being is the diversity and variety of manifested creation in all its relative phases of existence. The absolute and the relative both together present the whole truth of life. One hundred percent of absolute and one hundred percent of relative existence combine to form the one hundred percent of life in creation. It should be borne in mind that manifested creation and unmanifested Being, although appearing to be different, in reality are one and the same. The reality of duality is unity. Even though different in their characteristics, absolute Being and relative creation together form the one reality. The whole process of what we understand as creation and evolution is just the state of Being in prana*, and the change belongs to the very nature of Beingness. Creativity lies in the nature of absolute Being, creation is Its play, and evolution is Its expansion in Its Beingness. Being remains Being and the creation comes to be. *( Prana can thus be said to be the nature of Being, the motivating force of creation; it is the basic force of the mind.)  |
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Post by Tenka on May 29, 2017 18:10:02 GMT
There has to be something present for that something to identify themselves as that . Doesn't matter what one relates what they are with or too .. It's an automatic process of elimination / evaluation . You look at the tree and see that you are either the same as the tree or not . Either way one identifies what they perceive with what you are . Beyond perception is beyond identification . That beyond ness is also beyond attachment, butt you would be surprised in how many peeps say they are unattached and not self identified . There able to make such a statement through the very same self attachment / identification that is supposedly absent . I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 6:24:23 GMT
I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). Maharishi Mahesh Yogi agrees with you, Gopal. Here is the way he relates what you are describing.... "The unity of unmanifested absolute Being is the diversity and variety of manifested creation in all its relative phases of existence. The absolute and the relative both together present the whole truth of life. One hundred percent of absolute and one hundred percent of relative existence combine to form the one hundred percent of life in creation. It should be borne in mind that manifested creation and unmanifested Being, although appearing to be different, in reality are one and the same. The reality of duality is unity. Even though different in their characteristics, absolute Being and relative creation together form the one reality. The whole process of what we understand as creation and evolution is just the state of Being in prana*, and the change belongs to the very nature of Beingness. Creativity lies in the nature of absolute Being, creation is Its play, and evolution is Its expansion in Its Beingness. Being remains Being and the creation comes to be. *( Prana can thus be said to be the nature of Being, the motivating force of creation; it is the basic force of the mind.) Sorry! I don't understand what way it's related to what did I say! |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 6:26:43 GMT
I don't deny the identification. Identification obviously happens. But Identification shift is SR. I started to identify myself to be a human, but when the day I directly seen the truth of I create what I perceive, my identification shifted from mere perceiver to (perceiver+creator). S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well I believe the one who sees the third point must be the Self-Realized one. |
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 7:01:20 GMT
S.R. certainly opens the doors regarding how we see ourselves .. Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well I believe the one who sees the third point must be the Self-Realized one. Well I would say there is only what you are . What you think that is, is another matter . There are no pointers to consciousness being that in the realization itself . |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 9:01:54 GMT
Yes! But what I said was, SR is self-realization, self-realization means knowing who we really are! So identifying who we really are pave the way for self-realization. We might assume ourselves to be 1)I am living inside my body 2)I am consciousness and everything is appearing to me. 3)I am consciousness,everything is appearing to me and what is appearing is created by me as well I believe the one who sees the third point must be the Self-Realized one. Well I would say there is only what you are . What you think that is, is another matter . There are no pointers to consciousness being that in the realization itself . I am taking about what I think I am, I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am! |
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 9:46:18 GMT
Well I would say there is only what you are . What you think that is, is another matter . There are no pointers to consciousness being that in the realization itself . I am taking about what I think I am, I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am! What is the truth of what I am that was realized? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 9:49:57 GMT
I am taking about what I think I am, I am talking about understanding or knowing truth of what I am! What is the truth of what I am that was realized? If I answer the question, you may think I am wrong and I may think you are wrong, Andrew may think we both are wrong because Andrew is such a strong believer of objective reality. Okay, let me assume you are a realized one. Can you tell me who am I? What's the nature of me? |
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Post by Tenka on May 30, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
What is the truth of what I am that was realized? If I answer the question, you may think I am wrong and I may think you are wrong, Andrew may think we both are wrong because Andrew is such a strong believer of objective reality. Okay, let me assume you are a realized one. Can you tell me who am I? What's the nature of me? Don't worry about what other peeps think about what you think . Lets stick with the truth that was realized in regards to what I am / you are . You spoke about knowing truth of what you are . |
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