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Post by Figgles on Feb 10, 2019 3:35:21 GMT
Now yer just showing off.   |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 10, 2019 17:43:31 GMT
Now that, my friends, is what I'd call a full stop. The opportunity here is to not let the mind see through the eyes. You'll be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 13:33:15 GMT
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
Nobody has denied that there are changes in creation when one is in alignment. What you've been insisting for years is that there MUST be external changes or the suffering goes on. Change in creation implies the change in outer world as well. Creation is what you perceive. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 13:36:07 GMT
I thought you would be knowing him. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
Did you read this line?
He seems to be asserting what I have been saying for years.
For something to be regarded as a 'horror', a very deep and specific judgement has to be made about it. In acceptance, those deep, specific judgements just no longer happen. Acceptance is not an action to be performed. If you are accepting something, then it's an conscious act and it's being performed and that's the wrong creation Awareness is doing(mind is doing). |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 11, 2019 15:45:05 GMT
Nobody has denied that there are changes in creation when one is in alignment. What you've been insisting for years is that there MUST be external changes or the suffering goes on. Change in creation implies the change in outer world as well. Creation is what you perceive. That's the change I was referring to. Point is that I'm not asserting what you've been saying for years. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 11, 2019 15:49:49 GMT
Thought you would be knowing him. Perhaps I don't know that I know.  |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 11, 2019 16:02:50 GMT
For something to be regarded as a 'horror', a very deep and specific judgement has to be made about it. In acceptance, those deep, specific judgements just no longer happen. Acceptance is not an action to be performed. If you are accepting something, then it's an conscious act and it's being performed and that's the wrong creation Awareness is doing(mind is doing). Nobody's talking about "accepting something". Acceptance is an absence of judgment, just as Figs described. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 11, 2019 16:39:04 GMT
For something to be regarded as a 'horror', a very deep and specific judgement has to be made about it. In acceptance, those deep, specific judgements just no longer happen. Acceptance is not an action to be performed. If you are accepting something, then it's an conscious act and it's being performed and that's the wrong creation Awareness is doing(mind is doing). Right. The acceptance/allowance I'm speaking of is NOT an action performed by one who thinks he is a volitional person. Rather, acceptance/allowance is the absence of resistance, which is not a doing at all. When resistance to 'what is' is absent, happenings are not judged as "horrors". |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 12, 2019 20:11:54 GMT
This conversation dovetails nicely with my recent post to Reefs in the "Nature of Appearance" thread.
Reefs has judged a body with cancer to be a 'horror'. (Definitely something very bad, wrong, something that should not be happening).
He's observed that the presence of resistance to what is, emotional discord, fighting against life, often arises in concert with the bodily condition of cancer and has concluded that therefore, mental/emotional resistance (what he refers to as an absence of alignment) "caused" the cancer. And he then goes further to say that if one can 'get into alignment' (stop judging the cancer as bad, stop feeling badly about it, stop resisting it) the cancer will necessarily go away.
From a position of being anchored within the dream, this is indeed very much what it looks like. One arising condition that is bad/unwanted/ (resistant/delusional thoughts about life, giving way to resistant, discordant feelings), 'causing' another. (a physical condition/bodily experience, deemed to be a horror).
This is the classic LOA position. And, it's not wrong in the sense that this is indeed what the experience looks like from the viewpoint of a person within the dream/story.
The transcendent view however, reveals that nothing within the dream is actually a cause/catalyst to anything else. Yes, apparent patterns do unfold, where certain common themes or common happenings arise/play out, where apparently related happenings co-appear within a particular time-frame of experience, but from this vantage point, the whole idea of cause/effect is seen for what it is; An empty experience.
Reefs has asserted that Niz's cancer that preceded his death, was an indicator that in his latter days, Niz had to be 'out of alignment.' What this really indicates though is that Reefs cannot look at cancer absent "his own" personal value system that tells him, it's bad/wrong, a horror.
He can't fathom that the particular condition of cancer could arise amidst an absence of mental/emotional resistance to what is.
If it's true that Niz was in fact in complete and total acceptance of his bodily condition, then really, the cancer was not a 'horror' to him at all..nor was it bad or wrong...but rather, just another arising within experience, none of which had the power to sway him from his clarity/alignment.
And this really is one of the pitfalls of LOA. Those happenings that are deemed to be personally unacceptable by one dude, are used as fodder for him to then judge the alignment or lack thereof of others who appear within his experience.
Practicing LOA really then, only applies from a personal vantage point. If I deem cancer to be a horror and I then get cancer, obviously I'm not in alignment. The very fact of seeing cancer as a horror, is evidence of the SVP who is looking at conditions/appearances from a place of delusion. That's really what 'misalignment' is....the presence of deluded thoughts/ideas.
Absent a judgement that rendered cancer negative/bad/wrong/something that should not be happening, in having cancer, Niz really didn't experience a problem at all.
If one is absent the SVP who judges particular experiences/conditions to be deeply bad/wrong, then by virtue of that, he's in alignment. Alignment is not dependent upon appearing conditions.
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