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Post by Figgles on Feb 7, 2019 16:30:16 GMT
Creation does not give us what we interpret as horrors. That may include changes in creation, but mostly it's changes in mind. That's what I termed as " rearrange itself".But when you use the term 'rearrange itself' haven't you been alluding specifically to the world of form vs. our more 'internal' interpretations of things? Seems to me you've insisted that certain happenings are necessarily and objectively 'horrific.' (rape for example) and thus, if/when it arises in experience, it will always, necessarily be interpreted as a 'horror' and suffering will undoubtedly ensue in the face of that happening, because of that. You don't seem to allow for a transcendent view when it comes to those happenings that are most extreme. I think you DO agree that there IS a view where it can be seen that fundamentally all is perfect as is, but then you seem to go back on that, saying there are certain happenings/circumstances for which that does not apply. Not sure If I'm understanding you fully yet or not.... am still trying to understand. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 8, 2019 0:16:12 GMT
Creation does not give us what we interpret as horrors. That may include changes in creation, but mostly it's changes in mind. That's what I termed as " rearrange itself".I know. Creation does 'rearrange itself' to an extent. Everybody has agreed with you multiple times. Do you understand where the disagreement is? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 8, 2019 16:19:02 GMT
That's what I termed as " rearrange itself".I know. Creation does 'rearrange itself' to an extent. Everybody has agreed with you multiple times. Do you understand where the disagreement is? Yes. And an experience where acceptance and allowance reign, where there's an absence of knee-jerk resistance, pushing against, fighting against, rejecting/echewing that which is currently appearing, could be said to be part and parcel of that 're-arrangement of creation.' It seems though that for Gopal, that's not enough. He insists that the conditions that are initially behind the knee-jerk reaction ofresistance must also disappear from experience. While that 'may' indeed happen, it's not necessarily a given. In delusion, a knee-jerk arising of resistance may happen the moment someone criticizes or judges your actions. But the end of the delusion behind that does not necessarily mean that you will never again be judged or criticized. In freedom/acceptance/allowance of what is, It's the response TO the judging that changes, not necessarily the condition of being judged. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 8, 2019 16:55:24 GMT
I know. Creation does 'rearrange itself' to an extent. Everybody has agreed with you multiple times. Do you understand where the disagreement is? Yes. And an experience where acceptance and allowance reign, where there's an absence of knee-jerk resistance, pushing against, fighting against, rejecting/echewing that which is currently appearing, could be said to be part and parcel of that 're-arrangement of creation.' It seems though that for Gopal, that's not enough. He insists that the conditions that are initially behind the knee-jerk reaction ofresistance must also disappear from experience. While that 'may' indeed happen, it's not necessarily a given. In delusion, a knee-jerk arising of resistance may happen the moment someone criticizes or judges your actions. But the end of the delusion behind that does not necessarily mean that you will never again be judged or criticized. In freedom/acceptance/allowance of what is, It's the response TO the judging that changes, not necessarily the condition of being judged. Gopal would have to abandon the idea that reaction is determined solely by objective circumstances. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 8, 2019 18:13:37 GMT
Yes. And an experience where acceptance and allowance reign, where there's an absence of knee-jerk resistance, pushing against, fighting against, rejecting/echewing that which is currently appearing, could be said to be part and parcel of that 're-arrangement of creation.' It seems though that for Gopal, that's not enough. He insists that the conditions that are initially behind the knee-jerk reaction ofresistance must also disappear from experience. While that 'may' indeed happen, it's not necessarily a given. In delusion, a knee-jerk arising of resistance may happen the moment someone criticizes or judges your actions. But the end of the delusion behind that does not necessarily mean that you will never again be judged or criticized. In freedom/acceptance/allowance of what is, It's the response TO the judging that changes, not necessarily the condition of being judged. Gopal would have to abandon the idea that reaction is determined solely by objective circumstances. Yup. That's it in a nutshell. |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 9, 2019 0:42:24 GMT
Gopal would have to abandon the idea that reaction is determined solely by objective circumstances. Yup. That's it in a nutshell.  |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 9, 2019 15:57:15 GMT
Yup. That's it in a nutshell. Nice one!  |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 9, 2019 16:17:29 GMT
Nice one! Trying to compete with the LOA manifestation queen.  |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 9, 2019 19:01:33 GMT
Nice one! Trying to compete with the LOA manifestation queen.  |
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Post by Enigma on Feb 9, 2019 23:48:14 GMT
Trying to compete with the LOA manifestation queen. Now yer just showing off. |
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