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Post by Figgles on Sept 12, 2020 19:58:49 GMT
In THIS present moment, all there is, is what is, which of course includes "memory" of a past moment. "Becoming" is but an idea. If perceiver is the part and parcel of the perceived, then how would perception changes from A to B If it is via becoming? Does perception 'actually' change? or is change itself, perceived? I'd go as far as to say that change itself, per se, doesn't actually appear, but rather, it's assumed. All there ever is is but the present moment. Memory and the idea of time passage, of this leading to that, are just ideas that arise in a present moment of experience...the only way experience actually happens. It's always here...NOW, or not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 17:10:25 GMT
If perceiver is the part and parcel of the perceived, then how would perception changes from A to B If it is via becoming? Does perception 'actually' change? or is change itself, perceived? I'd go as far as to say that change itself, per se, doesn't actually appear, but rather, it's assumed. All there ever is is but the present moment. Memory and the idea of time passage, of this leading to that, are just ideas that arise in a present moment of experience...the only way experience actually happens. It's always here...NOW, or not at all. Everything is happening here and right now, but what would happen in the future is already destined to happen.
I am going to tell you a secret, but telling a secret to a woman is risky but still it's okay now.
Here is the secret:
Most people are not succeeding in creating reality because they would fail at creating the feeling part. The funny thing about this truth is, the reality you created soon would fade away if you are not fueling continuously and you start merging with your already existing flow. You always move towards harmony.
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Post by Figgles on Sept 13, 2020 17:17:13 GMT
If you had truly seen through separation, SVP, causation within experience, you'd have no delusions that you are something that 'creates' others stuff through/by specific feelings.
Feelings are not creative/catalysts/causes to manifestation, they are themselves, manifestations.
Just because you "experience" feelings as being "causal" to a desired manifestation, does mean that the feelings "actually" caused the manifestation. The feelings also, ARE manifestation. Feeling good/positive about a desired outcome doesn't 'create' the desired outcome, it's an indivisible facet of what you are calling 'outcome.'
Thus, while you might feel inclined to gauge currently arising feelings relative to a particular desire to determine whether the full manifestation will be appearing or not, it's simply wrong to say that 'feelings cause/create' manifest desires.
That's the 'in the dream' view of things. From beyond, there is no "creator...no cause....no creative catalyst" within the dream.
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Post by Figgles on Sept 13, 2020 17:25:08 GMT
Does perception 'actually' change? or is change itself, perceived? I'd go as far as to say that change itself, per se, doesn't actually appear, but rather, it's assumed. All there ever is is but the present moment. Memory and the idea of time passage, of this leading to that, are just ideas that arise in a present moment of experience...the only way experience actually happens. It's always here...NOW, or not at all. Everything is happening here and right now, but what would happen in the future is already destined to happen.
I am going to tell you a secret, but telling a secret to a woman is risky but still it's okay now. Here is the secret:
Most people are not succeeding in creating reality because they would fail at creating the feeling part. The funny thing about this truth is, the reality you created soon would fade away if you are not fueling continuously and you start merging with your already existing flow. You always move towards harmony.
Re: your secret; You might wanna wear extra protective undies then, 'cause in my mind's eye, I just saw a large, sturdy shoe, headed for your groin area. Here's another secret: There is no 'you' who controls how he "feels about" other stuff that's appearing. If you experience such, and taking it to be something more than just an empty experience, obviously there's an SVP/entity also being imagined into the equation. If you are interested in Truth, you must go beyond the "experience of" consciously manipulating thoughts/feelings for the purpose of manifesting desires. Feelings don't have creative power...they too are but manifestations. It's one thing to say you've noticed that when you feel positive expectation regarding a desired outcome that that outcome often unfolds with ease, but it's another to say that it's absolute Truth that if you can somehow control your thoughts/feelings so that you feel good about an outcome, that you are thereby 'creating/manifesting' a positive outcome. The question is, are you interested in the Truth or are you just interested in talking about life 'experience'? There's a vast difference between the two interests.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 17:38:40 GMT
If you had truly seen through separation, SVP, causation within experience, you'd have no delusions that you are something that 'creates' others stuff through/by specific feelings. Feelings are not creative/catalysts/causes to manifestation, they are themselves, manifestations. Just because you "experience" feelings as being "causal" to a desired manifestation, does mean that the feelings "actually" caused the manifestation. The feelings also, ARE manifestation. Feeling good/positive about a desired outcome doesn't 'create' the desired outcome, it's an indivisible facet of what you are calling 'outcome.' Thus, while you might feel inclined to gauge currently arising feelings relative to a particular desire to determine whether the full manifestation will be appearing or not, it's simply wrong to say that 'feelings cause/create' manifest desires. That's the 'in the dream' view of things. From beyond, there is no "creator...no cause....no creative catalyst" within the dream. You are not doing, you are not doing anything here. All That Is is imaging and All That Is is creating. It's a chance for you to see how beautifully it creates when you imagine a particular reality, it's a chance for you to realize why anything can be created by All That Is. I agree that when you imagine something to create, It's a creation within the creation, and it's an illusion, but you can notice something. Once you see something in your mind's eye, how entire line is unfolding one after another to fulfill your desired reality. As I said earlier, It wouldn't be permanent, It would be collapsed once you stop fueling the reality with your visualization. Enigma says Enigma creates remote healing with his visualization power, I can bet on that he might have created the reality but also the reality that he has created collapsed back into older one. Ask him!
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Post by Figgles on Sept 13, 2020 21:11:16 GMT
You are not doing, you are not doing anything here. All That Is is imaging and All That Is is creating. It's a chance for you to see how beautifully it creates when you imagine a particular reality, it's a chance for you to realize why anything can be created by All That Is.Hmmm..... ...Weren't you at one point arguing MY assertion that said: in terms of what might manifest within experience, 'anything at all is possible'? Yes, you are describing an experience. But, There's a view that transcends that one and it reveals that 'unfolding' is itself, an experience....dream-stuff. Time lines and causation are illusions. There is not some 'force/power/enity/God' that strives or wants to 'fulfill' your desires. Again, I'm not sure if you're saying that, but in the past it seems quite clear that you DO believe in some kind of personal God/force that plans and 'creates' with a specific end purpose in mind. That's not how he describes it, but yes, E has talked about remote healing. I have had similar interests and experiences myself. I'm pretty sure if you ask E, he'll tell you, ultimately, his visualization is not the cause/catalyst of the manifest condition of healing in the other, but that rather, it's merely correlated...a cog in the singular movement/expression that's experienced as 'an unfolding in time.'
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Post by Figgles on Sept 13, 2020 21:32:26 GMT
Have you read anything by "Neville Goddard"? He's an LOA preacher/teacher way back from the late 50's...that was pretty much the crux of his teachings...you must in this present moment, feel the desired outcome as actually here, now, vs. imagining it to become manifest at some future time.
LOA teachings of this nature, where someone is trying to instruct folks how to manifest their desires, all have an imagined SVP at their crux...which means, they are centered upon a delusion.
The "Universe" is not a causal/creative catalyst, but rather, it's an empty, ephemeral appearance. It appears to/within that which abides all appearances.
A desire....a visualization of that desire as manifest.....the idea that the universe acknowledges that desires/visualization and "poof" causation kicks in, is a deluded view of things.
The Universe as 'alive' (or dead) is a relative statement about the perceived Universe, only. Appearances are all empty of Truth and the Universe is but an appearance...it arises within/to that which abides, that which abides, does not arise within the universe.
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Post by Figgles on Sept 13, 2020 21:37:34 GMT
Ah...nice....You are hitting on something very important here SDP; Perspective...vantage point. Things look very different depending upon where you are looking from.
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Post by Figgles on Sept 14, 2020 17:02:23 GMT
The sense of no big deal, next logical step is not 'creating/causing' the manifestation, rather, it's a facet of the manifestation...it too, a manifestation. It's more aptly called: Being in tune...in synch with the singular unfolding. But that too, although more subtly, invokes "a person" who can be in or out of synch.
I find it odd, considering all you say about what's seen from the "impersonal perspective," (you speak as though you are actually familiar with that view!) that you're still talking about LOA in a way that puts the person, as an entity, as an SVP, doer...thinker....feeler.....as "cause/catalyst" to ensuing experience...future manifestation.
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Post by Figgles on Sept 15, 2020 17:01:03 GMT
"Alive" is an appearance...and that applies to both a direct 'sense' of aliveness, liveliness, AND the appearance of such in a person, animal or thing. No appearance has fundamental, inherent existence in it's own right.
A stellar example of how your mistaken certainty that others are actually "focusers and attenders" colors your view of reality.
"People"....be it, yourself as a person and/or "Other people" are appearances only, appearing on the one, singular screen of consciousness, and nothing that appears there exists in it's own right....it arises dependent upon that which abides.
When that's clearly seen, for folks appearing on the screen to 'shift/change' in terms of behavior, to "come along your way, to conform to your desires," none of that song and dance you describe above, needs to necessarily be the case.
When the movie playing on the screen changes, so do the people appearing in the movie. Get it?
That the people who appear are focusing on what the you character says and does.....that there is a you character that focuses, attends to, says and does stuff, ALL of that, is but a story/dream....experiential content. Don't look to experience for your Truth.
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