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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:59:27 GMT
So when your identifying the perceiving of your senses as your senses your not perceiving the tree within identification as being a tree? Is dat what your saying? Seems like shifting attention is just placing identification somewhere else . Not gonna self identify the tree, just gonna home in on my own sense of self identification instead lol  I can see a tree quite clearly in everyday life. We have a lot of them here. But I relate with them more as another aspect of 'aliveness.' They have a lot of responsibility within the framework of aliveness. I breathe in their by-product. Air. So, to me they're so much more than just a tree. There's quite a degree of reverence for our trees. I pay attention to the senses quite a bit when going about my day to day. Prior to re-landscaping the yard, I relied heavily on seeing the finished outcome in the mind's eye, and working back from there. Then writing down what was needed to make it happen. I rely very heavily on senses when playing a round of golf, and interacting with people, too. If I have an important decision to make, I ask the body how it feels about it. Then I pay attention. Nutzo, right?  More like clarity to me...hehe |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 6:45:01 GMT
So when your identifying the perceiving of your senses as your senses your not perceiving the tree within identification as being a tree? Is dat what your saying? Seems like shifting attention is just placing identification somewhere else . Not gonna self identify the tree, just gonna home in on my own sense of self identification instead lol I can see a tree quite clearly in everyday life. We have a lot of them here. But I relate with them more as another aspect of 'aliveness.' They have a lot of responsibility within the framework of aliveness. I breathe in their by-product. Air. So, to me they're so much more than just a tree. There's quite a degree of reverence for our trees. I pay attention to the senses quite a bit when going about my day to day. Prior to re-landscaping the yard, I relied heavily on seeing the finished outcome in the mind's eye, and working back from there. Then writing down what was needed to make it happen. I rely very heavily on senses when playing a round of golf, and interacting with people, too. If I have an important decision to make, I ask the body how it feels about it. Then I pay attention. Nutzo, right? This is what I am talking about . All were doing is shifting identification . It doesn't matter how we see things, butt these things will be in reflection of how we perceive ourselves . If you see your partner as just your partner then your seeing yourself in the same light . And to your last part, sounds like a pretty cool way of going about things .. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 6:46:30 GMT
So he is looking at the tree, perceiving his own senses? He is perceiving the 'sense' of seeing. The light falls on the tree and is reflected in the eye as an upside down image, which gets converted to electrochemical signals....blah, blah, blah. You never perceive reality directly, you only see what is in you. Likewise that is why some say that the world is 'in' you. Because it is.  So although he is perceiving the sense of seeing, he is still identifying the tree . He notices the tree, he identifies with it . It's automatic recognition . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:12:07 GMT
When a child perceives Gopal, will it identifies anything with itself? No,right? It's a pure perception! A child? Whats that relate to a second or two after physical birth, and hour or two? a day or two? Supposedly by the end of the first month, a baby can make eye contact and focus on objects about 12 inches away. So if you wanna speak about pure perception, it could just rather be pure speculation lol . The baby is aware that it is associated to the mind-body the moment it has a feeling of it . That is a form of identification through association .. There is no pure perception of the mind-body without relations had in regards to who/m is perceiving . It's automatic . Baby doesn't identify with anything, it just perceives whatever in it's perception. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:12:49 GMT
You don't have to create an identity in order to perceive. Perceving happens. Perceiving happens I agree . Whatcha perceiving then? He says identification is not necessary for perceiving to happen. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 9:28:10 GMT
A child? Whats that relate to a second or two after physical birth, and hour or two? a day or two? Supposedly by the end of the first month, a baby can make eye contact and focus on objects about 12 inches away. So if you wanna speak about pure perception, it could just rather be pure speculation lol . The baby is aware that it is associated to the mind-body the moment it has a feeling of it . That is a form of identification through association .. There is no pure perception of the mind-body without relations had in regards to who/m is perceiving . It's automatic . Baby doesn't identify with anything, it just perceives whatever in it's perception. When you are self aware you are self associating that awareness while perceiving . A baby cries, there is an emotion associated through identification that I am crying . That is an identified experience that relates to I am . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 9:29:39 GMT
Perceiving happens I agree . Whatcha perceiving then? He says identification is not necessary for perceiving to happen. I know what he said . I am asking for an example of how perceiving can happen without acknowledging what is perceived . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:30:07 GMT
I can see a tree quite clearly in everyday life. We have a lot of them here. But I relate with them more as another aspect of 'aliveness.' They have a lot of responsibility within the framework of aliveness. I breathe in their by-product. Air. So, to me they're so much more than just a tree. There's quite a degree of reverence for our trees. I pay attention to the senses quite a bit when going about my day to day. Prior to re-landscaping the yard, I relied heavily on seeing the finished outcome in the mind's eye, and working back from there. Then writing down what was needed to make it happen. I rely very heavily on senses when playing a round of golf, and interacting with people, too. If I have an important decision to make, I ask the body how it feels about it. Then I pay attention. Nutzo, right? If you see your partner as just your partner then your seeing yourself in the same light . And to your last part, sounds like a pretty cool way of going about things .. Okay. I see what you're pointing at. There's a degree of minding going on there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:32:12 GMT
He says identification is not necessary for perceiving to happen. I know what he said . I am asking for an example of how perceiving can happen without acknowledging what is perceived . You don't have to acknowledge anything for perceiving to happen, it automatically happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:33:02 GMT
When a child perceives Gopal, will it identifies anything with itself? No,right? It's a pure perception! It knows it is pure perception. What it percieves as Gopal is the perception of its very own senses. The image of Gopal appears in the baby.  |
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