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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 9:40:30 GMT
This is what I am talking about . All were doing is shifting identification . It doesn't matter how we see things, butt these things will be in reflection of how we perceive ourselves .If you see your partner as just your partner then your seeing yourself in the same light . And to your last part, sounds like a pretty cool way of going about things .. Okay. I see what you're pointing at. There's a degree of minding going on there. Yep absolutely, that's why the blissful guru bunnies step aside of an oncoming bus . It doesn't matter how spaced out they are, they are still self identifying . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 9:41:37 GMT
I know what he said . I am asking for an example of how perceiving can happen without acknowledging what is perceived . You don't have to acknowledge anything for perceiving to happen, it automatically happens. If you are perceiving something you acknowledge that something . Automatic recognition happens . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 9:53:34 GMT
You don't have to acknowledge anything for perceiving to happen, it automatically happens. If you are perceiving something you acknowledge that something . Automatic recognition happens . If you are perceiving a tree, then you are perceiving a tree, you don't relate that with how you identify yourself. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 10:16:01 GMT
If you are perceiving something you acknowledge that something . Automatic recognition happens . If you are perceiving a tree, then you are perceiving a tree, you don't relate that with how you identify yourself. The actuality that there is perceiving happening relates to a sense of I am perceiving . You make sense of the world perceived or not in reflection of how one makes sense of oneself . The guru bliss brigade see love in everything cos they see love as oneself . You have to understand the dual mirrors of the mind that reflect what you are, what you think you are even if one doesn't conceptually know what that is . I am identifies that I am is the perceiver whether you are 1 day old or 100, it doesn't matter . If you perceive this world then I am identifies I am as that . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 10:44:00 GMT
If you are perceiving a tree, then you are perceiving a tree, you don't relate that with how you identify yourself. The actuality that there is perceiving happening relates to a sense of I am perceiving . You make sense of the world perceived or not in reflection of how one makes sense of oneself . The guru bliss brigade see love in everything cos they see love as oneself . You have to understand the dual mirrors of the mind that reflect what you are, what you think you are even if one doesn't conceptually know what that is . I am identifies that I am is the perceiver whether you are 1 day old or 100, it doesn't matter . If you perceive this world then I am identifies I am as that . Sense of I am is the different perception you can have but that's other perception, If you starts to sense of I am while you perceiving the tree,then you are changing your perception between the perception of a tree and perception of Sense of I am! |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 11:11:35 GMT
The actuality that there is perceiving happening relates to a sense of I am perceiving . You make sense of the world perceived or not in reflection of how one makes sense of oneself . The guru bliss brigade see love in everything cos they see love as oneself . You have to understand the dual mirrors of the mind that reflect what you are, what you think you are even if one doesn't conceptually know what that is . I am identifies that I am is the perceiver whether you are 1 day old or 100, it doesn't matter . If you perceive this world then I am identifies I am as that . Sense of I am is the different perception you can have but that's other perception, If you starts to sense of I am while you perceiving the tree,then you are changing your perception between the perception of a tree and perception of Sense of I am! There is only a sense of I am perceiving . There is a sense of I am perceiving the tree . If you don't know what a tree is, butt you know what a dog is then all that is happening is that you have identified what you do and do not know in reflection of self . If you don't know what anything is then one does not know what they are in reflection of what is perceived . It doesn't negate the self identified as being the perceiver of perceiving what they do not know . You know you are perceiving and that's the bottom line . You have identified that you are perceiving, no matter what you think that is . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 11:17:55 GMT
Sense of I am is the different perception you can have but that's other perception, If you starts to sense of I am while you perceiving the tree,then you are changing your perception between the perception of a tree and perception of Sense of I am! There is only a sense of I am perceiving . There is a sense of I am perceiving the tree . If you don't know what a tree is, butt you know what a dog is then all that is happening is that you have identified what you do and do not know in reflection of self . If you don't know what anything is then one does not know what they are in reflection of what is perceived . It doesn't negate the self identified as being the perceiver of perceiving what they do not know . You know you are perceiving and that's the bottom line . You have identified that you are perceiving, no matter what you think that is . I don't know that I am perceiving unless there is a thought pop up and says to me. Perceiving is completely natural, Child doesn't know that it's perceiving, it doesn't even have any idea about perceiving until they starts to create thoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 11:29:43 GMT
Sense of I am is the different perception you can have but that's other perception, If you starts to sense of I am while you perceiving the tree,then you are changing your perception between the perception of a tree and perception of Sense of I am! There is only a sense of I am perceiving . There is a sense of I am perceiving the tree . If you don't know what a tree is, butt you know what a dog is then all that is happening is that you have identified what you do and do not know in reflection of self . If you don't know what anything is then one does not know what they are in reflection of what is perceived . It doesn't negate the self identified as being the perceiver of perceiving what they do not know . You know you are perceiving and that's the bottom line . You have identified that you are perceiving, no matter what you think that is . So, you're saying Knowing/Seeing never changes. This cannot be understood by the mind, so a perceiver is a stepchild conjured up by a mind. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 12:06:50 GMT
There is only a sense of I am perceiving . There is a sense of I am perceiving the tree . If you don't know what a tree is, butt you know what a dog is then all that is happening is that you have identified what you do and do not know in reflection of self . If you don't know what anything is then one does not know what they are in reflection of what is perceived . It doesn't negate the self identified as being the perceiver of perceiving what they do not know . You know you are perceiving and that's the bottom line . You have identified that you are perceiving, no matter what you think that is . I don't know that I am perceiving unless there is a thought pop up and says to me. Perceiving is completely natural, Child doesn't know that it's perceiving, it doesn't even have any idea about perceiving until they starts to create thoughts. If you are aware of what you are perceiving then you are aware of you being the perceiver . Perceiving is thought based . Thought covers all perception . You are entertaining the perception / image of the elephant, you can't be aware of the elephant and not be aware of yourself . A child does know it's perceiving otherwise it would not respond to the way it feels . |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 5, 2017 12:10:54 GMT
There is only a sense of I am perceiving . There is a sense of I am perceiving the tree . If you don't know what a tree is, butt you know what a dog is then all that is happening is that you have identified what you do and do not know in reflection of self . If you don't know what anything is then one does not know what they are in reflection of what is perceived . It doesn't negate the self identified as being the perceiver of perceiving what they do not know . You know you are perceiving and that's the bottom line . You have identified that you are perceiving, no matter what you think that is . So, you're saying Knowing/Seeing never changes. This cannot be understood by the mind, so a perceiver is a stepchild conjured up by a mind. If you are perceiving this world the sense of I am perceiving never disappears . What you relate that sense of I am with or too can change . One always identifies that I am the perceiver . What one makes of what is perceived will be based upon how they see themselves . |
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