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Post by Tenka on Jun 3, 2017 18:57:57 GMT
I answered this the other day regarding the believer is the perceiver . Self identification comes automatically when perceiving this world .
This sense of oneself is self identifying with existing .Does one believe they are existing? The awareness of existing is integrated within the experience of existing . One believes they are experiencing existing as whatever . If your one of those peeps that believe that they are only an illusory peep, then it doesn't make the sense of yourself experiencing that anymore or less believable . In order to have such beliefs one would be self identifying .. I don't know what that means, but the sense of existing comes automatically with consciousness. Identification with the mind and/or body is not automatic. When you perceive this world you perceive what is presented in reflection of yourself . This is automatic . You know what you are in reflection of knowing what you are perceiving . If you don't know what you are perceiving then it will be in reflection of what you know in relation to yourself . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 9:10:49 GMT
I answered this the other day regarding the believer is the perceiver . Self identification comes automatically when perceiving this world .
This sense of oneself is self identifying with existing .Does one believe they are existing? The awareness of existing is integrated within the experience of existing . One believes they are experiencing existing as whatever . If your one of those peeps that believe that they are only an illusory peep, then it doesn't make the sense of yourself experiencing that anymore or less believable . In order to have such beliefs one would be self identifying .. I don't know what that means, but the sense of existing comes automatically with consciousness. Identification with the mind and/or body is not automatic. Exactly! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 9:11:48 GMT
Belief is also a perception but it's special kind of perception, it's a kind of conclusion. Pure perception of tree is not a conclusion. The physical senses which are activated by Reality are concluded to be a tree by the mind. Unless you can perceive and experience Reality outside the dimension of the human beings physical senses. Physical senses doesn't exist, Brain doesn't exist. |
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Post by Tenka on Jun 4, 2017 9:26:19 GMT
I don't know what that means, but the sense of existing comes automatically with consciousness. Identification with the mind and/or body is not automatic. When you perceive this world you perceive what is presented in reflection of yourself . This is automatic . You know what you are in reflection of knowing what you are perceiving . If you don't know what you are perceiving then it will be in reflection of what you know in relation to yourself . You have a sense of yourself right? So when you perceive Gopal you have automatically identified yourself by perceiving Gopal . You have an automatic / immediate thought about what Gopal is or isn't in reflection of yourself . Your own self identification is automatic . Identification can change throughout your lifetime, but the reflection had that is through perceiving this world is automatic . i.e. you don't have to sit there and try and work it out . In a blink of an eye you see a flash of lightning .. You have identified it automatically based upon your own self reflection . I have been speaking of perceiving this world, not about existence itself . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 12:35:56 GMT
When you perceive this world you perceive what is presented in reflection of yourself . This is automatic . You know what you are in reflection of knowing what you are perceiving . If you don't know what you are perceiving then it will be in reflection of what you know in relation to yourself . You have a sense of yourself right? So when you perceive Gopal you have automatically identified yourself by perceiving Gopal . You have an automatic / immediate thought about what Gopal is or isn't in reflection of yourself . Your own self identification is automatic . Identification can change throughout your lifetime, but the reflection had that is through perceiving this world is automatic . i.e. you don't have to sit there and try and work it out . In a blink of an eye you see a flash of lightning .. You have identified it automatically based upon your own self reflection . I have been speaking of perceiving this world, not about existence itself . When a child perceives Gopal, will it identifies anything with itself? No,right? It's a pure perception! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 16:21:10 GMT
You have a sense of yourself right? So when you perceive Gopal you have automatically identified yourself by perceiving Gopal . You have an automatic / immediate thought about what Gopal is or isn't in reflection of yourself . Your own self identification is automatic . Identification can change throughout your lifetime, but the reflection had that is through perceiving this world is automatic . i.e. you don't have to sit there and try and work it out . In a blink of an eye you see a flash of lightning .. You have identified it automatically based upon your own self reflection . I have been speaking of perceiving this world, not about existence itself . When a child perceives Gopal, will it identifies anything with itself? No,right? It's a pure perception! It knows it is pure perception. What it percieves as Gopal is the perception of its very own senses. The image of Gopal appears in the baby.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 4, 2017 17:26:15 GMT
You perceive things that you don't believe? Belief is also a perception but it's special kind of perception, it's a kind of conclusion. Pure perception of tree is not a conclusion. Oh, okay. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 4, 2017 17:30:24 GMT
I don't know what that means, but the sense of existing comes automatically with consciousness. Identification with the mind and/or body is not automatic. When you perceive this world you perceive what is presented in reflection of yourself . This is automatic . You know what you are in reflection of knowing what you are perceiving . If you don't know what you are perceiving then it will be in reflection of what you know in relation to yourself . You don't have to create an identity in order to perceive. Perceving happens. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 4, 2017 17:49:37 GMT
When you perceive this world you perceive what is presented in reflection of yourself . This is automatic . You know what you are in reflection of knowing what you are perceiving . If you don't know what you are perceiving then it will be in reflection of what you know in relation to yourself . You have a sense of yourself right? So when you perceive Gopal you have automatically identified yourself by perceiving Gopal . You have an automatic / immediate thought about what Gopal is or isn't in reflection of yourself . Your own self identification is automatic . Identification can change throughout your lifetime, but the reflection had that is through perceiving this world is automatic . i.e. you don't have to sit there and try and work it out . In a blink of an eye you see a flash of lightning .. You have identified it automatically based upon your own self reflection . I have been speaking of perceiving this world, not about existence itself . I know what Enigma and Gopal and Tenka are. I know what it means to identify with one of those. I can say I have a personal identity of Enigma, and an impersonal identity, but I don't need any of that in order to perceive, and neither do you. Identification is a habit, and sometimes a practicality, and it can seem as though perception can't happen without it, but it's not so. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 4, 2017 17:50:49 GMT
You have a sense of yourself right? So when you perceive Gopal you have automatically identified yourself by perceiving Gopal . You have an automatic / immediate thought about what Gopal is or isn't in reflection of yourself . Your own self identification is automatic . Identification can change throughout your lifetime, but the reflection had that is through perceiving this world is automatic . i.e. you don't have to sit there and try and work it out . In a blink of an eye you see a flash of lightning .. You have identified it automatically based upon your own self reflection . I have been speaking of perceiving this world, not about existence itself . When a child perceives Gopal, will it identifies anything with itself? No,right? It's a pure perception! Good point. |
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