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Post by Theodore on Jun 1, 2017 11:25:36 GMT
When you look at a mirage, is it belief or perception? When you believe that controlling would end our suffering, don't you perceive things a certain way? Belief is also a perception, everything is perception. but not all perceptions are belief. I perceive a mirage, I perceive it. I can agree with that. So, they are not completely different. When you perceive something, it usually ties to a belief that it is so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 11:30:26 GMT
Belief is also a perception, everything is perception. but not all perceptions are belief. I perceive a mirage, I perceive it. I can agree with that. So, they are not completely different. When you perceive something, it usually ties to a belief that it is so. Not all the perceptions. Look at a tree is not a belief, but controlling would end a suffering is a belief. |
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Post by Theodore on Jun 1, 2017 12:03:24 GMT
I can agree with that. So, they are not completely different. When you perceive something, it usually ties to a belief that it is so. Not all the perceptions. Look at a tree is not a belief, but controlling would end a suffering is a belief. Controlling would end suffering is a perception as well. That I see a tree is a perception, that there is a tree is a form of belief. The difference is in practicality. When source says 'do you say that because you are believing it or you are perceiving it', there is no difference. Seeing is believing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:30:37 GMT
Not all the perceptions. Look at a tree is not a belief, but controlling would end a suffering is a belief. Controlling would end suffering is a perception as well. That I see a tree is a perception, that there is a tree is a form of belief. The difference is in practicality. When source says 'do you say that because you are believing it or you are perceiving it', there is no difference. Seeing is believing. Everything is perception, So perception is the super class of belief, belief perception is the kind of conclusion! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 21:50:27 GMT
Controlling would end suffering is a perception as well. That I see a tree is a perception, that there is a tree is a form of belief. The difference is in practicality. When source says 'do you say that because you are believing it or you are perceiving it', there is no difference. Seeing is believing. Everything is perception, So perception is the super class of belief, belief perception is the kind of conclusion! It's true, most people only ever experience sensory perception. So if it's only about enhancing that dimension of human experience. One is better off getting a dog, which are much better at perceiving that than humans are.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 3, 2017 5:49:37 GMT
Is that what you know because you are perceiving it or because you are believing it? If it's the latter you are just bullsh*tting yourself. What's the difference between perceiving and believing? Good question. I'm reminded of the saying "Seeing is believing". |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 3, 2017 14:56:54 GMT
Is that what you know because you are perceiving it or because you are believing it? If it's the latter you are just bullsh*tting yourself. I answered this the other day regarding the believer is the perceiver . Self identification comes automatically when perceiving this world .
This sense of oneself is self identifying with existing .Does one believe they are existing? The awareness of existing is integrated within the experience of existing . One believes they are experiencing existing as whatever . If your one of those peeps that believe that they are only an illusory peep, then it doesn't make the sense of yourself experiencing that anymore or less believable . In order to have such beliefs one would be self identifying .. I don't know what that means, but the sense of existing comes automatically with consciousness. Identification with the mind and/or body is not automatic. |
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Post by Enigma on Jun 3, 2017 15:07:29 GMT
When you look at a mirage, is it belief or perception? When you believe that controlling would end our suffering, don't you perceive things a certain way? Belief is also a perception, everything is perception. but not all perceptions are belief. I perceive a mirage, I perceive it. You perceive things that you don't believe? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 15:16:23 GMT
Belief is also a perception, everything is perception. but not all perceptions are belief. I perceive a mirage, I perceive it. You perceive things that you don't believe? Belief is also a perception but it's special kind of perception, it's a kind of conclusion. Pure perception of tree is not a conclusion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 15:55:02 GMT
You perceive things that you don't believe? Belief is also a perception but it's special kind of perception, it's a kind of conclusion. Pure perception of tree is not a conclusion. The physical senses which are activated by Reality are concluded to be a tree by the mind. Unless you can perceive and experience Reality outside the dimension of the human beings physical senses. |
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