SR & CC anyone?

As I see it, SR covers the whole gamut and all absent 'an experience.'

I don't see how one can lose the sense of person-hood, (of being a separate some-thing that exists within experience, that also experiences other stuff that exists separate and apart from me) and somehow fail to ALSO realize 'the infinite'.

The very way in which a particular CC experience is being upheld as equal to SR here, imo, only serves to drive home the point that any experience, regardless of how profound it may seem to be, might serve to lead one deeper into the dream instead of out of it.

Truth realization always has loss at it's core....from that, we might speak of knowing certain stuff, but it's always got that absence at it's helm. So long as one is talking about knowing stuff about experiential content, he's headed in the wrong direction.

it is very possible that a particular experience might go hand in hand with SR, but in the end, the experiential aspect of the realization has to be let go of.

"Alive" in the same way that term is generally used?




Seems to me you're falling into assigning qualities to that which defies such, and then into the false logic/extrapolation trap.

To say that the one thingless thing that gives rise to all is 'alive/intelligent' is to use those terms, at best, in a metaphorical way....and at worst, to assign attribute to that which has none.

If one has truly realized that one thingless thing, he has, after all, also seen that it is without quality, un-quantifiable, unable to be captured with words or any idea that a human mind could conjure up. It is beyond mind's grasp, can only be 'realized' and thus, pointed to.

The terms 'alive/intelligent' are themselves then, merely pointers.

When folks insist that the one thingness thing has certain attributes, qualities and that then, therefore, each and every singular appearance that arises within consciousness is necessarily 'alive, conscious, aware, intelligent,' clearly, pointers are getting licked.

And herein lies the danger of upholding special, woo-woo 'experiences' as equal in importance, to realization.....the experiential aspects get mixed in, and thus, it becomes a sort of 'mixed-up' realization, vs. a pure, clear seeing.

I'd go as far to say as well that undue talk about experiences surrounding SR in general can be problematic....I always find it kind of odd how some (supposedly SR) folks seem to hold so tightly to their 'realization stories/memories'....when really, that aspect of realization is pretty much irrelevant.

Either one is presently awake/aware that he is noneother than the one thingness thing, or he's not. Fancy woo-woo stories about the experiential aspects surrounding how that seeing/knowing came to be, imo, mostly just muddy the waters.

.....these days I am so clearly seeing that immersion within experience, within knowledge, is what keeps one asleep....thus, so long as mind is focused upon experience, a story, 'thingness', he's focused upon dream-stuff. And that includes the experiential aspects surrounding realization.

In terms of SR, Nothing but the seeing through of previous delusions matters. And they have to be seen through to the point where they fall away....otherwise, we're talking about a conceptual understanding that is absent actual realization. The seeing through removes that which was obscuring the Truth...that which was already there, always is there, just waiting to be seen. So there really is no 'taking on' of knowledge....it's the removing of knowledge....that which was an obstacle to seeing Truth.

It's important to see that not only is There no knowledge one needs to gain in order to wake up/to realize Self....but in fact, it is the belief that we know stuff that we actually do not know, cannot know, that keeps one anchored within experience/the dream.

Figgles: Exactly.

And I say all this having actually had numerous CC experiences/spiritual experiences.

You're right.....if it's an experience (has content that can be talked about, described), it absolutely involves or even hinges upon, a 'mind state.'...... and, most importantly, it can and so often is a huge distraction away from "Truth".....attention gets overly captured....which happens so easily, more often than not where CC experiences are concerned, specifically because it's an experience that stands out as 'special.'


I would say there's a distinct 'purity' or 'groundedness' that comes across, as you espouse your wisdom, that likely comes from the absence of, the fact that, you have not had that particular distraction.





(sorry E, I think I edited your post instead of quoted....)

So that means you might be a rock.