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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 6:39:28 GMT
You have no understanding whatsoever. That is the most telling remark you have ever made about your ignorance. Okay..turned on "CC." This is not one of his clearest talks by any means. He starts out defining "peace of mind," with this; "Something outside may make me uncomfortable (he lists a whole bunch of scenarios)....but peace of mind means I am never uncomfortable with myself."
He then moves into talking about peace of mind meaning 'being comfortable with all others', be it someone close to him or even stangers, but that's completely contradictory to what he was originally saying about an inner sense of comfort, even in the face of not being comfortable with other people or arising circumstance. I wonder if along with his teeth there, his mental prowess is also dwindling. He also said this (you're really not gonna like this part!  so brace yourself!) "...It's total acceptance. Events happen, deeds happen, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything."  I braced myself and nothing happened. Do you remember that time you argued with me that you couldn't have peace of mind and get irritable or angry. What does he say about that? Of course there is no doer, yet there is also a doer. In fact Ramesh also said that you are the supreme doer, the supreme enjoyer. I quoted the final paragraphs of his book The Final Understanding a while ago I'm happy to quote it for you again if you wish. You haven't been able to get your head around the fact that sages say a lot of contradictory stuff, but we know for you there are no paradoxes whatsoever right? |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 6:47:12 GMT
Okay..turned on "CC." This is not one of his clearest talks by any means. He starts out defining "peace of mind," with this; "Something outside may make me uncomfortable (he lists a whole bunch of scenarios)....but peace of mind means I am never uncomfortable with myself." He then moves into talking about peace of mind meaning 'being comfortable with all others', be it someone close to him or even stangers, but that's completely contradictory to what he was originally saying about an inner sense of comfort, even in the face of not being comfortable with other people or arising circumstance. I wonder if along with his teeth there, his mental prowess is also dwindling. He also said this (you're really not gonna like this part! so brace yourself!) "...It's total acceptance. Events happen, deeds happen, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything." I braced myself and nothing happened. Do you remember that time you argued with me that you couldn't have peace of mind and get irritable or angry. What does he say about that? He seems to be saying there, at the end anyway, that irritation and anger is not compatible with peace of mind...that nothing other than complete comfort, both with self, others and arising circumstance, will do. And no, I don't recall that convo but if you want to provide an actual quote, I'm up for re-discussing it if you are. The doer is an illusion/delusion. There is an appearing character, but appearances don't actually "do" or "cause/catalyze" other appearances. So no, there is not "also" a doer. The Truth is, no doer....just as the Truth is; No separation. Do you believe there is both separation and no separation? That's a pointer beyond the experiential. It doesn't mean what you "think" it means. I've never denied that some sages say contradictory stuff. But the fact that they do does not mean that there is paradox inherent to Truth. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 6:59:08 GMT
He then moves into talking about peace of mind meaning 'being comfortable with all others', be it someone close to him or even stangers, but that's completely contradictory to what he was originally saying about an inner sense of comfort, even in the face of not being comfortable with other people or arising circumstance. Wow, how is it possible to completely misunderstand what he said. He was asked the question what does enlightenment give you and he's saying that if you got headaches before you will still get headaches after enlightenment if you were quick to anger before you will still be quick to anger after enlightenment. The only thing you get is peace of mind. How is it possible for you to be completely on another planet when it comes to simply understanding stuff? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 7:02:42 GMT
He seems to be saying there, at the end anyway, that irritation and anger is not compatible with peace of mind...that nothing other than complete comfort, both with self, others and arising circumstance, will do. This is just unbelievable I don't know what to say! |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 7:18:49 GMT
He seems to be saying there, at the end anyway, that irritation and anger is not compatible with peace of mind...that nothing other than complete comfort, both with self, others and arising circumstance, will do. This is just unbelievable I don't know what to say! What's unbelievable? You think I'm lying about what he's saying in the video? have a listen! Here's I've transcribed what I could.... "Enlightenment means total acceptance..events happen, deeds are done, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything. In my own past, I had come to instant awareness that my attitude to life (unintelligible)....what does attitude to life mean? Attitude towards the other...all day....what is my attitude towards the other? The other may be my parent, wife or child, someone, my neighbor, someone connected with business or occupation or a total stranger...someone very close to me or a total stranger and it will be obvious to me..that the happiness is unshaken, means entirely harmonious relationship with others...a harmonious relationship with others..." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 7:21:00 GMT
This is just unbelievable I don't know what to say! What's unbelievable? You think I'm lying about what he's saying in the video? have a listen! Here's I've transcribed what I could.... "Enlightenment means total acceptance..events happen, deeds are done, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything. In my own past, I had come to instant awareness that my attitude to life (unintelligible)....what does attitude to life mean? Attitude towards the other...all day....what is my attitude towards the other? The other may be my parent, wife or child, someone, my neighbor, someone connected with business or occupation or a total stranger...someone very close to me or a total stranger and it will be obvious to me..that the happiness is unshaken, means entirely harmonious relationship with others...a harmonious relationship with others..." Yes I can read that. What's the issue? Now how do you reconcile that with what he says about if you were quick to become irritable before enlightenment that won't change after enlightenment. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 7:21:34 GMT
He then moves into talking about peace of mind meaning 'being comfortable with all others', be it someone close to him or even stangers, but that's completely contradictory to what he was originally saying about an inner sense of comfort, even in the face of not being comfortable with other people or arising circumstance. Wow, how is it possible to completely misunderstand what he said. He was asked the question what does enlightenment give you and he's saying that if you got headaches before you will still get headaches after enlightenment if you were quick to anger before you will still be quick to anger after enlightenment. The only thing you get is peace of mind. How is it possible for you to be completely on another planet when it comes to simply understanding stuff? You obviously didn't listen to the latter part where he talks about completely harmonious relationship, all day, with all other, regardless of who they are. Hint: Next time you post a video to make your point, actually listen to the whole darned thing! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 7:23:05 GMT
Wow, how is it possible to completely misunderstand what he said. He was asked the question what does enlightenment give you and he's saying that if you got headaches before you will still get headaches after enlightenment if you were quick to anger before you will still be quick to anger after enlightenment. The only thing you get is peace of mind. How is it possible for you to be completely on another planet when it comes to simply understanding stuff? You obviously didn't listen to the latter part where he talks about completely harmonious relationship, all day, with all other, regardless of who they are. Hint: Next time you post a video to make your point, actually listen to the whole darned thing! Yes I have quoted many times his characterization of enlightenment that one is completely comfortable with oneself and completely comfortable with the other. I can't remember how many times I've quoted that over the years. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 7:23:58 GMT
What's unbelievable? You think I'm lying about what he's saying in the video? have a listen! Here's I've transcribed what I could.... "Enlightenment means total acceptance..events happen, deeds are done, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything. In my own past, I had come to instant awareness that my attitude to life (unintelligible)....what does attitude to life mean? Attitude towards the other...all day....what is my attitude towards the other? The other may be my parent, wife or child, someone, my neighbor, someone connected with business or occupation or a total stranger...someone very close to me or a total stranger and it will be obvious to me..that the happiness is unshaken, means entirely harmonious relationship with others...a harmonious relationship with others..." Yes I can read that. What's the issue? Now how do you reconcile that with what he says about if you were quick to become irritable before enlightenment that won't change after enlightenment. There is no reconciling it...I'd say at the point the video was made, the dude was losing his marbles along with his teeth. Along with saying that bit about being irritable before and after, far more at issue was the fact that he said it didn't matter if you felt umcomfy with another person so long as you were comfy with yourself. Again, did you actually listen to the damned video Satchi? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 7:29:47 GMT
Yes I can read that. What's the issue? Now how do you reconcile that with what he says about if you were quick to become irritable before enlightenment that won't change after enlightenment. There is no reconciling it...I'd say at the point the video was made, the dude was losing his marbles along with his teeth. Along with saying that bit about being irritable before and after, far more at issue was the fact that he said it didn't matter if you felt umcomfy with another person so long as you were comfy with yourself. Again, did you actually listen to the damned video Satchi? I suggest you listen to the video up to the one minute mark. But why are you even using it in some kind of authoritative way if he was losing his marbles? That's such a telling comment that you don't have the understanding so you've got to dismiss him as nuts |
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