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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 5:08:35 GMT
Well, I most certainly DO have reference for an experiential sense of peace...a peaceful countenance of mind, but can you say you have a reference for what I am pointing to and terming; the peace that passes understanding? No I don't have a reference for what you're talking about because what you're talking about is insanity. It's made up nonsense. You are trapped in a mind maze. And I don't have a reference for unconditional peace because it is what it is. It is my fundamental nature. There is nothing to be said about it. It's not made up at all, but absent the shift in seeing/realization that reveals what I'm pointing to, it will likely sound like something made up. This Spira quote below is pointing to the same... away from the experiential towards the non-conceputual. “The great secret that lies at the heart of all the main religious and spiritual traditions is the understanding that the peace and happiness for which all people long can never be delivered via objective experience. It can only be found in our self, in the depths of our being.” - Rupert Spira
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 5:26:55 GMT
No I don't have a reference for what you're talking about because what you're talking about is insanity. It's made up nonsense. You are trapped in a mind maze. And I don't have a reference for unconditional peace because it is what it is. It is my fundamental nature. There is nothing to be said about it. It's not made up at all, but absent the shift in seeing/realization that reveals what I'm pointing to, it will likely sound like something made up. This Spira quote below is pointing to the same... away from the experiential towards the non-conceputual. “The great secret that lies at the heart of all the main religious and spiritual traditions is the understanding that the peace and happiness for which all people long can never be delivered via objective experience. It can only be found in our self, in the depths of our being.” - Rupert Spira Yes that's true. So why don't you understand what Rupert is saying about peace and happiness? It seems odd to quote something that you don't believe.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 5:32:46 GMT
It's not made up at all, but absent the shift in seeing/realization that reveals what I'm pointing to, it will likely sound like something made up. This Spira quote below is pointing to the same... away from the experiential towards the non-conceputual. “The great secret that lies at the heart of all the main religious and spiritual traditions is the understanding that the peace and happiness for which all people long can never be delivered via objective experience. It can only be found in our self, in the depths of our being.” - Rupert Spira Yes that's true. So why don't you understand what Rupert is saying about peace and happiness? It seems odd to quote something that you don't believe. Please quote my words that are supposedly counter to what Spira is saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 5:38:06 GMT
Yes that's true. So why don't you understand what Rupert is saying about peace and happiness? It seems odd to quote something that you don't believe. Please quote my words that are supposedly counter to what Spira is saying. I said that SR is peace and you said nope! Ramesh also said that but you pretended not to be able to understand what he was saying.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 5:45:50 GMT
Please quote my words that are supposedly counter to what Spira is saying. I said that SR is peace and you said nope! Ramesh also said that but you pretended not to be able to understand what he was saying. You said: SR is peace "of mind."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 5:52:11 GMT
I said that SR is peace and you said nope! Ramesh also said that but you pretended not to be able to understand what he was saying. You said: SR is peace "of mind." Unlike you I don't hypermind and analyze about whether I say peace or peace of mind. These are just words which is what it's all about for you. In fact Ramesh used the phrase peace of mind, but I forgot you couldn't understand his words 😀
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 6:04:37 GMT
You said: SR is peace "of mind." Unlike you I don't hypermind and analyze about whether I say peace or peace of mind. These are just words which is what it's all about for you. In fact Ramesh used the phrase peace of mind, but I forgot you couldn't understand his words 😀 Why won't you post the exact quote as he said it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 6:08:54 GMT
Unlike you I don't hypermind and analyze about whether I say peace or peace of mind. These are just words which is what it's all about for you. In fact Ramesh used the phrase peace of mind, but I forgot you couldn't understand his words 😀 Why won't you post the exact quote as he said it? You want me to transcribe the whole video for you? Why don't you try switching on captions on YouTube.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 6:25:59 GMT
Nope. Peace of mind, comes and goes. Self Realization/wakefulness is freedom from mind, from the world, and all without mind or the world disappearing. You have no understanding whatsoever. That is the most telling remark you have ever made about your ignorance. Okay..turned on "CC." This is not one of his clearest talks by any means. He starts out defining "peace of mind," with this; "Something outside may make me uncomfortable (he lists a whole bunch of scenarios)....but peace of mind means I am never uncomfortable with myself."
He then moves into talking about peace of mind meaning 'being comfortable with all others', be it someone close to him or even stangers, but that's completely contradictory to what he was originally saying about an inner sense of comfort, even in the face of not being comfortable with other people or arising circumstance. I wonder if along with his teeth there, his mental prowess is also dwindling. He also said this (you're really not gonna like this part! so brace yourself!) "...It's total acceptance. Events happen, deeds happen, consequences happen, but there is no individual doing anything."
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 6:31:50 GMT
You said: SR is peace "of mind." Unlike you I don't hypermind and analyze about whether I say peace or peace of mind. These are just words which is what it's all about for you. In fact Ramesh used the phrase peace of mind, but I forgot you couldn't understand his words 😀 There is an important distinction between relative, experiential sense of peace vs. the absence of fundamental judgment that = the peace that passes understanding. It is entirely possible to be caught in a raging storm, (or to walk into an apt. hoping to have breakfast with your dad and find him face down, dead on the floor) and feel strong emotions of concern, while simultaneously being grounded in the peace of being. And yes, that does make it's way into an experiential arising that can be called "peace of mind," but it goes much deeper than that.
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