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Post by Figgles on Mar 10, 2022 18:33:39 GMT
I'd have a very large pot of change if I had a nickle for every time someone on these forums threw out the accusation that a particular realization I am discussing, has no relevance to and no impact upon day to day life and then all the times that I rebutted, that they are dead wrong about that.
However, describing those ways in which day to day, moment to moment life is impacted isn't always the easiest thing to do. Looking on at how the SR/awakened move through life, it may not be evident.
When the mental overlay/delusion of causation within the dream is absent, there are indeed some market differences in experience.
Spira explains it really well below:
"If we look deeply into the belief that there are discrete, separate causes for things, we will always find the separate entity lurking there. The reason for this is that to have an idea of a ‘discrete, independent cause’ we must first have divided up the seamless totality of experience into separate parts, and the subject–object relationship is inherent in such a division of experience." - Rupert Spira
When that idea of discrete, independent cause is absent, when there's an absence of dividing up the seamless totality in separate parts, when the subject-object relationship is not reigning, the entire dream just 'hits' differently.
Take something like a loved one, dying unexpectedly. Where the idea of discrete, independent cause and division into separate parts is present, there's likely to be all sorts of stories & judgements..all sorts of 'woulda/shoulda/coulda,' ideas attached to that experience. But in the absence of those ideas (that limited/false perspective) all of that kind of ruminating will be also be absent...and instead, there's just a spacious sense of acceptance....a knowing that nothing ever happens outside of the seamless, inherently perfect, undivided unfolding.
What all that means is that the so called tough-stuff of life is couched in a greater seeing of perfection, which = freedom from suffering...freedom from getting sucked so far into the dream that peace is obscured.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 3:51:18 GMT
I'd have a very large pot of change if I had a nickle for every time someone on these forums threw out the accusation that a particular realization I am discussing, has no relevance to and no impact upon day to day life and then all the times that I rebutted, that they are dead wrong about that. However, describing those ways in which day to day, moment to moment life is impacted isn't always the easiest thing to do. Looking on at how the SR/awakened move through life, it may not be evident. When the mental overlay/delusion of causation within the dream is absent, there are indeed some market differences in experience. Spira explains it really well below: "If we look deeply into the belief that there are discrete, separate causes for things, we will always find the separate entity lurking there. The reason for this is that to have an idea of a ‘discrete, independent cause’ we must first have divided up the seamless totality of experience into separate parts, and the subject–object relationship is inherent in such a division of experience." - Rupert Spira When that idea of discrete, independent cause is absent, when there's an absence of dividing up the seamless totality in separate parts, when the subject-object relationship is not reigning, the entire dream just 'hits' differently. Take something like a loved one, dying unexpectedly. Where the idea of discrete, independent cause and division into separate parts is present, there's likely to be all sorts of stories & judgements..all sorts of 'woulda/shoulda/coulda,' ideas attached to that experience. But in the absence of those ideas (that limited/false perspective) all of that kind of ruminating will be also be absent...and instead, there's just a spacious sense of acceptance....a knowing that nothing ever happens outside of the seamless, inherently perfect, undivided unfolding. What all that means is that the so called tough-stuff of life is couched in a greater seeing of perfection, which = freedom from suffering...freedom from getting sucked so far into the dream that peace is obscured. I would put it more simply than that. SR is peace of mind. That says it all. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 3:57:20 GMT
I'd have a very large pot of change if I had a nickle for every time someone on these forums threw out the accusation that a particular realization I am discussing, has no relevance to and no impact upon day to day life and then all the times that I rebutted, that they are dead wrong about that. However, describing those ways in which day to day, moment to moment life is impacted isn't always the easiest thing to do. Looking on at how the SR/awakened move through life, it may not be evident. When the mental overlay/delusion of causation within the dream is absent, there are indeed some market differences in experience. Spira explains it really well below: "If we look deeply into the belief that there are discrete, separate causes for things, we will always find the separate entity lurking there. The reason for this is that to have an idea of a ‘discrete, independent cause’ we must first have divided up the seamless totality of experience into separate parts, and the subject–object relationship is inherent in such a division of experience." - Rupert Spira When that idea of discrete, independent cause is absent, when there's an absence of dividing up the seamless totality in separate parts, when the subject-object relationship is not reigning, the entire dream just 'hits' differently. Take something like a loved one, dying unexpectedly. Where the idea of discrete, independent cause and division into separate parts is present, there's likely to be all sorts of stories & judgements..all sorts of 'woulda/shoulda/coulda,' ideas attached to that experience. But in the absence of those ideas (that limited/false perspective) all of that kind of ruminating will be also be absent...and instead, there's just a spacious sense of acceptance....a knowing that nothing ever happens outside of the seamless, inherently perfect, undivided unfolding. What all that means is that the so called tough-stuff of life is couched in a greater seeing of perfection, which = freedom from suffering...freedom from getting sucked so far into the dream that peace is obscured. I would put it more simply than that. SR is peace of mind. That says it all. Nope. Peace of mind, comes and goes. Self Realization/wakefulness is freedom from mind, from the world, and all without mind or the world disappearing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 4:04:24 GMT
I would put it more simply than that. SR is peace of mind. That says it all. Nope. Peace of mind, comes and goes. Self Realization/wakefulness is freedom from mind, from the world, and all without mind or the world disappearing. You have no understanding whatsoever. That is the most telling remark you have ever made about your ignorance. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 4:14:56 GMT
Nope. Peace of mind, comes and goes. Self Realization/wakefulness is freedom from mind, from the world, and all without mind or the world disappearing. You have no understanding whatsoever. That is the most telling remark you have ever made about your ignorance. Am having a little trouble deciphering what he's saying...might be the absence of his teeth.  What is it specifically he says there that you want me to hear? Seems he's pretty much re-affirming what I said. The world and all it's things, including the character, his unique conditionings, etc, will continue to arise/appear as previous to SR, but there's now a spaciousness....a freedom from being mired/bounded by any of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 4:17:17 GMT
You have no understanding whatsoever. That is the most telling remark you have ever made about your ignorance. Am having a little trouble deciphering what he's saying...might be the absence of his teeth.  What is it specifically he says there that you want me to hear? Seems he's pretty much re-affirming what I said. The world and all it's things, including the character, his unique conditionings, etc, will continue to arise/appear as previous to SR, but there's now a spaciousness....a freedom from being mired/bounded by any of it. Nope he isn't. I said SR is peace of mind and you said it isn't and that is exactly what Ramesh is saying in this video. Squirming much? |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 4:32:16 GMT
Am having a little trouble deciphering what he's saying...might be the absence of his teeth. What is it specifically he says there that you want me to hear? Seems he's pretty much re-affirming what I said. The world and all it's things, including the character, his unique conditionings, etc, will continue to arise/appear as previous to SR, but there's now a spaciousness....a freedom from being mired/bounded by any of it. Nope he isn't. I said SR is peace of mind and you said it isn't and that is exactly what Ramesh is saying in this video. Squirming much? Can you offer the quote where he says that? Again, I can't really make out what he's saying. You obviously heard something there I didn't. There is a difference between the abiding peace that passes understanding that is an absence and is inherent to SR vs. relative peace of mind, that is experiential, and that comes and goes, often according to arising/falling, appearing conditions. That said, I won't deny that there in fact a generally peaceful, experiential contenance of mind in SR/awakening, but as I did make out Balsekar saying there, the previous personality and conditionings don't necessary change...didn't he even suggest there that if one was an irritable person pre SR, he may still be such post SR? How does that gel with your idea about "peaceful mind"? Can mind be at peace while irritation is regularly arising? i don't see how. But I can see that irritation could arise while fundamental to that, there is an absence, (the peace that passes understanding...the peace that is not of mind....not of experience...a peace that is beyond all that). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 4:38:46 GMT
Nope he isn't. I said SR is peace of mind and you said it isn't and that is exactly what Ramesh is saying in this video. Squirming much? Can you offer the quote where he says that? Again, I can't really make out what he's saying. You obviously heard something there I didn't. There is a difference between the abiding peace that passes understanding that is an absence and is inherent to SR vs. relative peace of mind, that is experiential, and that comes and goes, often according to arising/falling, appearing conditions. That said, I won't deny that there in fact a generally peaceful, experiential contenance of mind in SR/awakening, but as I did make out Balsekar saying there, the previous personality and conditionings don't necessary change...didn't he even suggest there that if one was an irritable person pre SR, he may still be such post SR? How does that gel with your idea about "peaceful mind"? Can mind be at peace while irritation is regularly arising? i don't see how. But I can see that irritation could arise while fundamental to that, there is an absence, (the peace that passes understanding...the peace that is not of mind....not of experience...a peace that is beyond all that). I'm not interested in that because we just get into hyperminding territory which muttley is absolutely correct about by the way. There is peace of mind. End of story! That's it. If there is peace of mind it is known otherwise I couldn't convey it to you. I'm not prepared to join you on your hyperminding analytical train. There is peace if you know IT all well and good if you don't there is nothing I can do about that. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 11, 2022 4:44:27 GMT
Can you offer the quote where he says that? Again, I can't really make out what he's saying. You obviously heard something there I didn't. There is a difference between the abiding peace that passes understanding that is an absence and is inherent to SR vs. relative peace of mind, that is experiential, and that comes and goes, often according to arising/falling, appearing conditions. That said, I won't deny that there in fact a generally peaceful, experiential contenance of mind in SR/awakening, but as I did make out Balsekar saying there, the previous personality and conditionings don't necessary change...didn't he even suggest there that if one was an irritable person pre SR, he may still be such post SR? How does that gel with your idea about "peaceful mind"? Can mind be at peace while irritation is regularly arising? i don't see how. But I can see that irritation could arise while fundamental to that, there is an absence, (the peace that passes understanding...the peace that is not of mind....not of experience...a peace that is beyond all that). I'm not interested in that because we just get into hyperminding territory which muttley is absolutely correct about by the way. There is peace of mind. End of story! That's it. If there is peace of mind it is known otherwise I couldn't convey it to you. I'm not prepared to join you on your hyperminding analytical train. There is peace if you know IT all well and good if you don't there is nothing I can do about that. Well, I most certainly DO have reference for an experiential sense of peace...a peaceful countenance of mind, but can you say you have a reference for what I am pointing to and terming; the peace that passes understanding? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 4:47:12 GMT
I'm not interested in that because we just get into hyperminding territory which muttley is absolutely correct about by the way. There is peace of mind. End of story! That's it. If there is peace of mind it is known otherwise I couldn't convey it to you. I'm not prepared to join you on your hyperminding analytical train. There is peace if you know IT all well and good if you don't there is nothing I can do about that. Well, I most certainly DO have reference for an experiential sense of peace...a peaceful countenance of mind, but can you say you have a reference for what I am pointing to and terming; the peace that passes understanding? No I don't have a reference for what you're talking about because what you're talking about is insanity. It's made up nonsense. You are trapped in a mind maze. And I don't have a reference for unconditional peace because it is what it is. It is my fundamental nature. There is nothing to be said about it. |
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What is it specifically he says there that you want me to hear? 
What is it specifically he says there that you want me to hear?