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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 10, 2022 4:16:56 GMT
I suppose the question then is ‘who is judging?’ ‘Who has a problem with it?’ There’s no way out🤪. Enlightenment- travelling lighter.. that’s all I guess. It's when you discover you are not looking for a way out because you are quite happy being the one who is judging or doing or thinking. Welll .. that can mean one of two things .. perhaps someone is now free, or perhaps they've become comfy in their cage. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 10, 2022 4:18:02 GMT
It's when you discover you are not looking for a way out because you are quite happy being the one who is judging or doing or thinking. Mmm yes I know there is resistance when we perceive the ‘judger’ as a problem but judgment that comes up and abides quickly and naturally is different to a constant daily judgment (i.e of the unfolding story). Well, what if it keeps recurring though? Cooks have the 6 second rule. Are you an enlightened floorburger?  |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 10, 2022 4:19:48 GMT
Mmm yes I know there is resistance when we perceive the ‘judger’ as a problem but judgment that comes up and abides quickly and naturally is different to a constant daily judgment (i.e of the unfolding story). Well, what if it keeps recurring though? Cooks have the 6 second rule. Are you an enlightened floorburger? 😂. That made me laugh. |
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Post by Esponja on Jan 10, 2022 4:20:25 GMT
I think I do know all the answers and ultimately nobody out there can give it to you but I like to discuss it all…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 4:23:25 GMT
It's when you discover you are not looking for a way out because you are quite happy being the one who is judging or doing or thinking. Welll .. that can mean one of two things .. perhaps someone is now free, or perhaps they've become comfy in their cage. The comfy cage option is not really happy as will be evidenced when subjected to the stress test. |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 10, 2022 4:27:15 GMT
And, then, there is the Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna doesn't want to fight because he sees himself in the other, but Krishna both doubles down on the true nature of things and tells him that the fight is just another facet of that.
Or as the Buddist's say, the first noble truth (by my understanding), is "there is suffering". Bob's right that they are suffering, but, who are they, and who are you? This is the existential question. If you see yourself suffering in engaging about this, then, that's the height of self-honesty, and also, an opportunity, for you, to face the existential question, directly, head on.
And even some of the warriors, the one's who have never realized the truth, they've detached so completely from their own pain that they're simply unaware of the suffering, both theirs, and that they apparently cause. What is the difference between them and Arjuna, after Krishna has enlightened him? Do not approach that question with either intellect, or emotion. There is no making sense of the exploration, not for everyone. As you yourself put it, you are being lived, as is everyone else, regardless of whether they've realized that truth, or not.
Agree with all. Bob doesn’t deny that something may arise. If you find yourself at a march, that’s what’s happening but it’s more the constant mental chatter about out there. I have noticed huge changes though, for example, my friend just asked me to listen to a guy who is talking about how hard the life will be for the unvac’d etc and I refused to listen. I told her that that to me is a fear based story of ‘what if’s’. I don’t know what I’ll do if that happens and maybe I’d just get vac’d. so in that sense I am desling with things as they arise and I know that a year ago i was in extreme fear and what ifs.. It’s all oneness true. In terms of what arises in mind, what can happen is a period of intense and profound inner stillness, which is followed by a new normal. Life goes on, but differently from before. Content comes in to fill the spacious void. This can happen in cycles. The Zen folk have a notion .. "retracing your steps".
Ultimately, though, these are a sort of shadow. The existential question has an answer, but it is unconditional, as in, unrelated to any conditions. Unrelated to anything that is happening or changing or appearing to you. The periods of quiescence and the gradual gaining of clarity in the cycles are related to the truth of the matter, but only indirectly, and tangentially.
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 10, 2022 4:29:24 GMT
Well, what if it keeps recurring though? Cooks have the 6 second rule. Are you an enlightened floorburger?  😂. That made me laugh. yes! that was the point! |
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Post by ghostofmuttley on Jan 10, 2022 4:35:54 GMT
Welll .. that can mean one of two things .. perhaps someone is now free, or perhaps they've become comfy in their cage. The comfy cage option is not really happy as will be evidenced when subjected to the stress test. Everyone has a breaking point, but human beings have amazing potential. They climb rock walls with bare hands and no ropes, they dive down dozens of feet into the water for minutes at a time with no gear to grab pearls, run hundred mile marathons and invent theories that small %'s of others can ever hope to fully understand that eventually prove to be very accurate. I wouldn't underestimate their ability to endure insane levels of pain and suffering and make it look easy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 4:41:59 GMT
The comfy cage option is not really happy as will be evidenced when subjected to the stress test. Everyone has a breaking point, but human beings have amazing potential. They climb rock walls with bare hands and no ropes, they dive down dozens of feet into the water for minutes at a time with no gear to grab pearls, run hundred mile marathons and invent theories that small %'s of others can ever hope to fully understand that eventually prove to be very accurate. I wouldn't underestimate their ability to endure insane levels of pain and suffering and make it look easy. Yes that's certainly true. I was thinking more of psychological stress. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 10, 2022 5:29:25 GMT
You don’t think there are any lies? Now you've sequed to "lies"? You've changed the subject. No, she didn't. |
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