Esponja
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Post by Esponja on Mar 4, 2021 0:05:42 GMT
I’d appreciate any help. Like I say, I have to constantly enquire at this stage. The connection feels incredibly weak and that I could easily loose it... We're used to comprehending and/or figuring things out with our minds. We're used to potentially losing things we've "learned/attained/earned/found/etc". When one is waking up or has had some taste of Being or a very distinct realization, it seems like a connection or some new understanding has been made, and we begin to play stories about it, what it means, etc.This conditioning will naturally give rise to a fear of sorts... in the mind. Notice that when such stories, conclusions, or fear arise, one can begin to go unconscious, getting pulled back into the limitations of the unconscious beliefs/patterns, however genuine they may seem to be. It's natural to do so, but you seem to prefer stabilizing in the Realization of What Is, has always been and always will be Here/Now.
It's likely to get messy, so be cool for now. Take time outs to just settle into Presence throughout the day. Keep it simple. Draw on wisdom within.
Peacely
Yes in a way it’s fired up a million more questions, it’s a slippery little bugger. It feels like it needs to understand and know everything now from a new perspective but it’s just trying to take control back now back... |
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Post by muttley on Mar 4, 2021 5:49:56 GMT
We're used to comprehending and/or figuring things out with our minds. We're used to potentially losing things we've "learned/attained/earned/found/etc". When one is waking up or has had some taste of Being or a very distinct realization, it seems like a connection or some new understanding has been made, and we begin to play stories about it, what it means, etc.This conditioning will naturally give rise to a fear of sorts... in the mind. Notice that when such stories, conclusions, or fear arise, one can begin to go unconscious, getting pulled back into the limitations of the unconscious beliefs/patterns, however genuine they may seem to be. It's natural to do so, but you seem to prefer stabilizing in the Realization of What Is, has always been and always will be Here/Now.
It's likely to get messy, so be cool for now. Take time outs to just settle into Presence throughout the day. Keep it simple. Draw on wisdom within.
Peacely
Yes in a way it’s fired up a million more questions, it’s a slippery little bugger. It feels like it needs to understand and know everything now from a new perspective but it’s just trying to take control back now back... how many of ya' are up in there, anyways??  |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 4, 2021 9:21:08 GMT
Yes in a way it’s fired up a million more questions, it’s a slippery little bugger. It feels like it needs to understand and know everything now from a new perspective but it’s just trying to take control back now back... how many of ya' are up in there, anyways?? Quite a few 😂😂 |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:40:58 GMT
How do you re-program other person's subconscious? What do you do? Is it a kind of professional work you are doing now? Is that your job? Yes, I use a modality called Psych-k. Dr Bruce Lipton references it in his book ‘biology of belief’. However, I also help clients see where the triggers are and heal them from the past. Okay, I am not familiar with this. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:43:21 GMT
Honest and refreshing stuff. Welcome back.
Yes, the mind tool will need to be reworked a bit to help it come to terms with its demotion. It can be an ornery and crafty lil bugga.  I’d appreciate any help. Like I say, I have to constantly enquire at this stage. The connection feels incredibly weak and that I could easily loose it... There is no strong connection or weak connection. You have seen the illusion or not. You can't unsee what you have seen. It's not a gradual process that is leading you somewhere, it's a one time thing. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:48:53 GMT
Improving the dream is the only problem I see! Not wanting anything other than what you have now really does the change but one can't pretend like one doesn't want anything while the strong want is in place. When one reaches to the place where he doesn't want any change in inner, outer reflect that change(may bring the desired reality which you have been longing for). Improvement is just an in the dream facet. There is nothing inherently problematic about an intent to improve a present situation. The very experience of movement forward as the dream of life unfolds, has the idea of improvement, growth, expansion, inherent to it. Again, there needs to be an understanding here for the difference between "fundamental acceptance/allowance," vs. relative preferences/interests/likes-dislikes. We are currently doing some cosmetic renos to our home. I am having a ball, re-imagining decor, shifting furniture about, creating a whole new and "improved" look. I don't have to "hate" the current condition of my home to want/intent for something new, different and improved. There was a point where there was some strong consternation as to how certain furniture pieces would/could fit...with it, a strong desire to figure it out, perhaps a bit of frustration you could say. And then my daughter presented me with the solution; She'd done up the room on computer and configured all the ways the furniture could be arranged...it was amazing...lol...haven't stopped talking about the amazing technology! Anyway, just an example of how "improving the dream" need not be problematic at all. & how sometimes, an arising dilemma or problem of sorts can actually be exciting and fun. In short, the 'intent/interest' for improvement/change, is built in to the dream itself. So long as the dream continues to arise, ideas about expansion, growth, improvement (movement forward) will be part of that. Your entire view about this hinges upon the fact that you want to be able to control how the dream unfolds, and you think the means to that is to somehow stop caring about how the dream unfolds...to somehow stop being interested in improvement.
I am not talking about something which is in our control. I am talking about something which is not your control.
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:50:03 GMT
Improving the dream is the only problem I see! Not wanting anything other than what you have now really does the change but one can't pretend like one doesn't want anything while the strong want is in place. When one reaches to the place where he doesn't want any change in inner, outer reflect that change(may bring the desired reality which you have been longing for). Improvement is just an in the dream facet. There is nothing inherently problematic about an intent to improve a present situation. The very experience of movement forward as the dream of life unfolds, has the idea of improvement, growth, expansion, inherent to it. Again, there needs to be an understanding here for the difference between "fundamental acceptance/allowance," vs. relative preferences/interests/likes-dislikes. We are currently doing some cosmetic renos to our home. I am having a ball, re-imagining decor, shifting furniture about, creating a whole new and "improved" look. I don't have to "hate" the current condition of my home to want/intent for something new, different and improved. There was a point where there was some strong consternation as to how certain furniture pieces would/could fit...with it, a strong desire to figure it out, perhaps a bit of frustration you could say. And then my daughter presented me with the solution; She'd done up the room on computer and configured all the ways the furniture could be arranged...it was amazing...lol...haven't stopped talking about the amazing technology! Anyway, just an example of how "improving the dream" need not be problematic at all. & how sometimes, an arising dilemma or problem of sorts can actually be exciting and fun. In short, the 'intent/interest' for improvement/change, is built in to the dream itself. So long as the dream continues to arise, ideas about expansion, growth, improvement (movement forward) will be part of that. Your entire view about this hinges upon the fact that you want to be able to control how the dream unfolds, and you think the means to that is to somehow stop caring about how the dream unfolds...to somehow stop being interested in improvement. This grey colour is definitely not good to read. It would be great if you change back to my settings. Now I have lost the control over the admin panel to change the colour settings which I have had previously. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:51:43 GMT
I’d appreciate any help. Like I say, I have to constantly enquire at this stage. The connection feels incredibly weak and that I could easily loose it... We're used to comprehending and/or figuring things out with our minds. We're used to potentially losing things we've "learned/attained/earned/found/etc". When one is waking up or has had some taste of Being or a very distinct realization, it seems like a connection or some new understanding has been made, and we begin to play stories about it, what it means, etc.This conditioning will naturally give rise to a fear of sorts... in the mind. Notice that when such stories, conclusions, or fear arise, one can begin to go unconscious, getting pulled back into the limitations of the unconscious beliefs/patterns, however genuine they may seem to be. It's natural to do so, but you seem to prefer stabilizing in the Realization of What Is, has always been and always will be Here/Now.
It's likely to get messy, so be cool for now. Take time outs to just settle into Presence throughout the day. Keep it simple. Draw on wisdom within.
Peacely
You can't act like a monkey once after you have clearly seen yourself to be a human. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 4, 2021 10:57:20 GMT
We're used to comprehending and/or figuring things out with our minds. We're used to potentially losing things we've "learned/attained/earned/found/etc". When one is waking up or has had some taste of Being or a very distinct realization, it seems like a connection or some new understanding has been made, and we begin to play stories about it, what it means, etc.This conditioning will naturally give rise to a fear of sorts... in the mind. Notice that when such stories, conclusions, or fear arise, one can begin to go unconscious, getting pulled back into the limitations of the unconscious beliefs/patterns, however genuine they may seem to be. It's natural to do so, but you seem to prefer stabilizing in the Realization of What Is, has always been and always will be Here/Now.
It's likely to get messy, so be cool for now. Take time outs to just settle into Presence throughout the day. Keep it simple. Draw on wisdom within.
Peacely
Yes in a way it’s fired up a million more questions, it’s a slippery little bugger. It feels like it needs to understand and know everything now from a new perspective but it’s just trying to take control back now back... It wouldn't take your control back once after your seeing. But what happens is, there would be a process in which you seems like you would be pulled back but in this place If you once again act consciously to force you to act according to your clarity, you have started playing another game now. But instead if you simply allow yourself to be pulled back into the old pattern, you would slowly come out of that and you can witness that. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 4, 2021 15:30:21 GMT
Improvement is just an in the dream facet. There is nothing inherently problematic about an intent to improve a present situation. The very experience of movement forward as the dream of life unfolds, has the idea of improvement, growth, expansion, inherent to it. Again, there needs to be an understanding here for the difference between "fundamental acceptance/allowance," vs. relative preferences/interests/likes-dislikes. We are currently doing some cosmetic renos to our home. I am having a ball, re-imagining decor, shifting furniture about, creating a whole new and "improved" look. I don't have to "hate" the current condition of my home to want/intent for something new, different and improved. There was a point where there was some strong consternation as to how certain furniture pieces would/could fit...with it, a strong desire to figure it out, perhaps a bit of frustration you could say. And then my daughter presented me with the solution; She'd done up the room on computer and configured all the ways the furniture could be arranged...it was amazing...lol...haven't stopped talking about the amazing technology! Anyway, just an example of how "improving the dream" need not be problematic at all. & how sometimes, an arising dilemma or problem of sorts can actually be exciting and fun. In short, the 'intent/interest' for improvement/change, is built in to the dream itself. So long as the dream continues to arise, ideas about expansion, growth, improvement (movement forward) will be part of that. Your entire view about this hinges upon the fact that you want to be able to control how the dream unfolds, and you think the means to that is to somehow stop caring about how the dream unfolds...to somehow stop being interested in improvement. I am not talking about something which is in our control. I am talking about something which is not your control.
Can you give an example of what you deem then to be "out of your control"? Seeing there actually is no doer means seeing clearly that even in situations where it may seem like someone is in control, no one is actually. It's all just unfolding...appearing, all absent a doer/controller. |
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