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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2021 2:32:23 GMT
How does that relate to Esponja's post? Shhhhhh. Don' worry 'bout it 'hun.   |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2021 2:38:49 GMT
This is the question? "Did I contradict what she said, or did I affirm it?"
You neither contradicted nor affirmed. You were addressing a different idea than what she was espousing. You 'missed' what she was saying. Quite clearly incorrect: Yes, & then you said this: "but just because you don't know about it does it mean that there's nothing there?" That's neither a contradiction of the 'not knowing' she was indicating, nor is it an affirmation of it. The question you've asked there, is actually 'misconceived." Mind has no business in trying to go beyond the clear seeing that 'there is no knowing beyond immediate appearance.' |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2021 2:46:37 GMT
About half way through Adya’s audio book. Some of it is confusing me. The part where he speaks about the velcro thoughts/beliefs sucking you back in.
Isn’t an awakening it?? No more having to work within the dream at a better life?Interestingly, the modality I use currently looks at current triggers and transforms them in the now and in the past. Adya talks about this too. He is talking about the power of some thoughts to suck you back into the dream. Thoughts so compelling, that the locus of seeing moves from beyond the dream, back into the dreamscape. Regardless of talk of 'abiding' nature of awakened consciousness, "Being awake" is always a present moment thing. Awakening isn't about having a better life. It's about transcending the idea of being a someone (who wants/needs to constantly be bettering life.) Seeing triggers, I would say, is an important facet of 'being conscious.' And 'being conscious' is correlated with 'being awake.' |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 2, 2021 2:48:07 GMT
Reality is subjective. The question arises whether we are receiving the perception or creating the perception, first one assumes the objective reality and the second one assumes the subjective reality. Appearences appear in ways that manifest as both subjective, and objective. E' coined a term in the past, "radical subjectivity". But you see, it doesn't mean "subjective" in the sense of appearances appearing, it's more a pointer to how there is no "God" in the way that you're thinking of "creation", and the only awareness here, is you. None of these appearances will help you find reality, but ideas about appearances can help obscure reality. The only reality, is you. Not the personal you, not what you might imagine as an impersonal "you", either. Just what you're aware of with one, simple, quiet breath. That's all.  Very nice. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:15:29 GMT
Then it should randomly imagine the reality but why then one follows another? Once again, Why believing in separation causes the suffering? I'm not sure how you arrived at that, but the fact that your statement contains a 'should' indicates that mind is still involved, trying to work out the 'whys/hows' of why dream content is as it is. Patterns do appear in the dream, but you can't use those patterns to determine laws/Truths about how dreams will always unfold.
The delusion of separation is the delusion of limitation, boundaries, lack, finiteness. Why only people suffer those believe in separation? This says to me separation is the cause of suffering. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:16:25 GMT
Reality is subjective. The question arises whether we are receiving the perception or creating the perception, first one assumes the objective reality and the second one assumes the subjective reality. How about neither of those options? There is no-one/no-thing receiving perception nor creating it. Just perception/creation. Because I am the one who is perceiving it, so the question as to whether I am receiving the perception or I am the one creating the perception? |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:17:53 GMT
Then belief in separation causes the suffering, eh? As I've said, when I'm speaking with someone who is intent upon finding 'causation' within the dream, as you seem to be here, I try to avoid saying separation 'causes' suffering. That's not really how it is. More apt to say "Separation = suffering." Imagined separation = the delusion of being a separatr, volitional, limited, bound something/someone who needs certain conditions to be in place for peace to be. ha ha, so you have been saying there is no cause within the dream but now you know separation is the actual cause of suffering but you don't know how to manage this situation. So you started writing nonsense, correct? |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:18:45 GMT
You can't even know whether other people exists, they could be figments of your consciousness. The people those who are in your life are actually creation of you. Change your belief you would change the people in your life too. But changing the belief is not your hand obviously. Again, talking from different p.o.v. whatever. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:20:43 GMT
Reality is subjective. The question arises whether we are receiving the perception or creating the perception, first one assumes the objective reality and the second one assumes the subjective reality. Appearences appear in ways that manifest as both subjective, and objective. E' coined a term in the past, "radical subjectivity". But you see, it doesn't mean "subjective" in the sense of appearances appearing, it's more a pointer to how there is no "God" in the way that you're thinking of "creation", and the only awareness here, is you.
None of these appearances will help you find reality, but ideas about appearances can help obscure reality. The only reality, is you. Not the personal you, not what you might imagine as an impersonal "you", either. Just what you're aware of with one, simple, quiet breath. That's all. Only awareness exist, that's me. Meaning of personal me or impersonal me looses it's grip for me because I am the ultimate witness to whom appearance are floating one after another. |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 2, 2021 5:21:11 GMT
Again, talking from different p.o.v. whatever. Whatever? |
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