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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 17:50:32 GMT
In short, it doesn't.
LOA posits a person who possesses free will, causality within the dream and "laws" regarding why what appears, appears.
In awakening, all of that gets seen through.
The idea that thought 'attracts' manifestation in form is really just another way of saying that thoughts 'cause/catalyze' manifestation in form.
That sense that thoughts have attractive property, hinges upon the experience of sequential passing of time, (thought preceding manifestation) but time itself also gets seen to be illusion in Self Realization.
The idea that one appearance (a thought) is "attracting" another appearance (a formed thing, circumstance, situation, etc.) no longer holds water once it's all seen to be one singular, unified movement, nothing actually 'causal' to the other.
There's no issue with observing that certain thoughts go hand in hand with certain feelings and that when there's an ease about it all, wants/desires 'generally' seem to appear on the heels of that. It's quite another though to declare that observation "a law."
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Post by Esponja on Feb 24, 2021 8:45:32 GMT
In short, it doesn't. LOA posits a person who possesses free will, causality within the dream and "laws" regarding why what appears, appears. In awakening, all of that gets seen through. The idea that thought 'attracts' manifestation in form is really just another way of saying that thoughts 'cause/catalyze' manifestation in form. That sense that thoughts have attractive property, hinges upon the experience of sequential passing of time, (thought preceding manifestation) but time itself also gets seen to be illusion in Self Realization. The idea that one appearance (a thought) is "attracting" another appearance (a formed thing, circumstance, situation, etc.) no longer holds water once it's all seen to be one singular, unified movement, nothing actually 'causal' to the other. There's no issue with observing that certain thoughts go hand in hand with certain feelings and that when there's an ease about it all, wants/desires 'generally' seem to appear on the heels of that. It's quite another though to declare that observation "a law." It is soooo hard to get my head around this... I see that time is an illusion. I can’t go back to the past or forward to the future. The thoughts exist in my mind. Am trying to look at my body aging and know that it was younger, yet that is a memory, yet it does change.. (head spinning!!) So a thought appears now, that says.. ‘I have a new job’ (for example) then you get a new job and this type of thing happens many times, is it your mind that invents the inbetween bit up? I.E...I will manifest a job, I will visualise and meditate and intend, I got the job, the manifesting worked) |
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Post by Esponja on Feb 24, 2021 8:56:20 GMT
Right, so..
A thought manifests
An action manifests (not because of or related to the thought
An outcome manifests
They are not linked. It all just happens but ‘mind-story’ fills in the blanks?
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Post by Esponja on Feb 24, 2021 9:11:21 GMT
Talking to myself now but I am now thinking (therein lies the problem no doubt) about my hubby at work. He works in sales and just told me he’s closing on somr deals. Surely him working hard manifests that outcome? The calls, the technique? One most cause the other???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 15:45:19 GMT
Talking to myself now but I am now thinking (therein lies the problem no doubt) about my hubby at work. He works in sales and just told me he’s closing on somr deals. Surely him working hard manifests that outcome? The calls, the technique? One most cause the other??? But there's no doer! no free will! clearly your husband is suffering from the delusions of a SVP! taking credit for deals he didn't make!  |
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Post by muttley on Feb 24, 2021 15:51:32 GMT
In short, it doesn't. LOA posits a person who possesses free will, causality within the dream and "laws" regarding why what appears, appears. In awakening, all of that gets seen through. The idea that thought 'attracts' manifestation in form is really just another way of saying that thoughts 'cause/catalyze' manifestation in form. That sense that thoughts have attractive property, hinges upon the experience of sequential passing of time, (thought preceding manifestation) but time itself also gets seen to be illusion in Self Realization. The idea that one appearance (a thought) is "attracting" another appearance (a formed thing, circumstance, situation, etc.) no longer holds water once it's all seen to be one singular, unified movement, nothing actually 'causal' to the other. There's no issue with observing that certain thoughts go hand in hand with certain feelings and that when there's an ease about it all, wants/desires 'generally' seem to appear on the heels of that. It's quite another though to declare that observation "a law." It is soooo hard to get my head around this... I see that time is an illusion. I can’t go back to the past or forward to the future. The thoughts exist in my mind. Am trying to look at my body aging and know that it was younger, yet that is a memory, yet it does change.. (head spinning!!) So a thought appears now, that says.. ‘I have a new job’ (for example) then you get a new job and this type of thing happens many times, is it your mind that invents the inbetween bit up? I.E...I will manifest a job, I will visualise and meditate and intend, I got the job, the manifesting worked) Time isn't an illusion, it's just change, which is undeniable. It's just that nothing that changes, nothing that is ephemeral, nothing that comes and goes, is the ultimate absolute limitless reality that you really are, and which you can always get in touch with by the simple but sometimes subtle fact of your awareness of being aware. So, while time isn't an illusion, it's also not exactly what it appears to be, either.
You can't visit the past, but in limited, relative, philosophical terms, there are many ways to explain why that is. As far as the future is concerned, it's an inevitability.  But, of course, when tomorrow arrives, it will do so in the guise, of today.  |
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Post by muttley on Feb 24, 2021 15:52:53 GMT
Right, so.. A thought manifests An action manifests (not because of or related to the thought An outcome manifests They are not linked. It all just happens but ‘mind-story’ fills in the blanks? Nah. I wouldn't say that. |
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Post by muttley on Feb 24, 2021 15:57:47 GMT
Talking to myself now but I am now thinking (therein lies the problem no doubt) about my hubby at work. He works in sales and just told me he’s closing on somr deals. Surely him working hard manifests that outcome? The calls, the technique? One most cause the other??? In relative terms, one thing seems to lead to another, and, in practical terms, it's silly to deny that this is happening. It's just that in the bigger picture, anything you posit as a cause is ultimately also an effect. Now, in practical terms, you husband gets paid his commission because he is recognized as an indispensable cause of the effect of the sale. But, think it through. How many other events beside what your husband did had to happen to lead up to the outcome?
Ultimately, any set of events that you want to define as causal are arbitrary. To paraphrase Niz, the entirety of eternity ever conspires to create each and every sensation you feel in the moment, which is ever ephemeral. Every ray of sunlight or starlight that ever hit the Earth, every blade of grass that ever grew and withered, every drop of rain that ever fell, all add up to your body/mind on this Earth in this moment reading the words of this sentence.
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Post by muttley on Feb 24, 2021 16:08:27 GMT
Talking to myself now but I am now thinking (therein lies the problem no doubt) about my hubby at work. He works in sales and just told me he’s closing on somr deals. Surely him working hard manifests that outcome? The calls, the technique? One most cause the other??? But there's no doer! no free will! clearly your husband is suffering from the delusions of a SVP! taking credit for deals he didn't make! |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 24, 2021 16:43:41 GMT
In short, it doesn't. LOA posits a person who possesses free will, causality within the dream and "laws" regarding why what appears, appears. In awakening, all of that gets seen through. The idea that thought 'attracts' manifestation in form is really just another way of saying that thoughts 'cause/catalyze' manifestation in form. That sense that thoughts have attractive property, hinges upon the experience of sequential passing of time, (thought preceding manifestation) but time itself also gets seen to be illusion in Self Realization. The idea that one appearance (a thought) is "attracting" another appearance (a formed thing, circumstance, situation, etc.) no longer holds water once it's all seen to be one singular, unified movement, nothing actually 'causal' to the other. There's no issue with observing that certain thoughts go hand in hand with certain feelings and that when there's an ease about it all, wants/desires 'generally' seem to appear on the heels of that. It's quite another though to declare that observation "a law." It is soooo hard to get my head around this... I see that time is an illusion. I can’t go back to the past or forward to the future. The thoughts exist in my mind. Am trying to look at my body aging and know that it was younger, yet that is a memory, yet it does change.. (head spinning!!) So a thought appears now, that says.. ‘I have a new job’ (for example) then you get a new job and this type of thing happens many times, is it your mind that invents the inbetween bit up? I.E...I will manifest a job, I will visualise and meditate and intend, I got the job, the manifesting worked) If you look very closely, (which I can see you are!), yes, that 'inbetween' is invented/imaged/surmised/assumed. All there really ever is is THIS present NOW. |
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But, of course, when tomorrow arrives, it will do so in the guise, of today. 