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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:22:47 GMT
How about neither of those options? There is no-one/no-thing receiving perception nor creating it. Just perception/creation. Yup. If I am perceiving the movement of appearance, then it must be either I am creating while I am perceiving(from inside) or I must be receiving the appearance from outside. But as for as I am concerned, a careful look tells me that I am not receiving the perception because perception is inseparable from the perceiver, perceiver can't even perceive nothing in my view, perceiver is within the perceiving act. Perceiving holds the perceiver and perception together. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 5:25:29 GMT
Our reality is stabilized with what we believe. When we change our belief, we change our reality. We can't change another person's belief to create the change. |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 2, 2021 5:31:07 GMT
Our reality is stabilized with what we believe. When we change our belief, we change our reality. We can't change another person's belief to create the change. Ok. Still don’t get the ‘whatever’ remark (seems unecessary) but I’ll address this here. I think it’s important that we all acknowledge that trying to discuss this stuff on a forum is very tricky to say the least and having spent hours here now reading all the various posts, I have noticed a lot of misconception, miscommunication and triggering. Just saying. Now addressing what you wrote, I only facilitate a process. I don’t do anything to or for anyone. That might help clarify. My clients find the answers are make their own changes at subconscious. From what I have witnessed, it appears to work more than any other processes I’ve personally used. My work is based on Bruce Lipton’s book the Biology of belief. Now, I’ve come to realise it is all still illusion but that’s ok. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 6:02:39 GMT
Our reality is stabilized with what we believe. When we change our belief, we change our reality. We can't change another person's belief to create the change. Ok. Still don’t get the ‘whatever’ remark (seems unecessary) but I’ll address this here. I think it’s important that we all acknowledge that trying to discuss this stuff on a forum is very tricky to say the least and having spent hours here now reading all the various posts, I have noticed a lot of misconception, miscommunication and triggering. Just saying. Now addressing what you wrote, I only facilitate a process. I don’t do anything to or for anyone. That might help clarify. My clients find the answers are make their own changes at subconscious. From what I have witnessed, it appears to work more than any other processes I’ve personally used. My work is based on Bruce Lipton’s book the Biology of belief. Now, I’ve come to realise it is all still illusion but that’s ok.That's the point I am making. My world moves like I am the only individual who is real and everybody else moves in and out according to my clarity. If people are fighting with each, then I know how I created that Or I know something like this is going to happen even before that event took place, my inner movement tells me the outer movement as well.
I strongly believe Peace is when one is no longer expects any change outside. But when one is in such a state,then outer changes too to reflect the Peace.
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Post by Esponja on Mar 2, 2021 6:08:39 GMT
Ok. Still don’t get the ‘whatever’ remark (seems unecessary) but I’ll address this here. I think it’s important that we all acknowledge that trying to discuss this stuff on a forum is very tricky to say the least and having spent hours here now reading all the various posts, I have noticed a lot of misconception, miscommunication and triggering. Just saying. Now addressing what you wrote, I only facilitate a process. I don’t do anything to or for anyone. That might help clarify. My clients find the answers are make their own changes at subconscious. From what I have witnessed, it appears to work more than any other processes I’ve personally used. My work is based on Bruce Lipton’s book the Biology of belief. Now, I’ve come to realise it is all still illusion but that’s ok.That's the point I am making. My world moves like I am the only individual who is real and everybody else moves in and out according to my clarity. If people are fighting with each, then I know how I created that Or I know something like this is going to happen even before that event took place, my inner movement tells me the outer movement as well.
I strongly believe Peace is when one is no longer expects any change outside. But when one is in such a state,then outer changes too to reflect the Peace.
Ok yes I agree with you because up until recently this too was my experience more and more. However, what I’ve come to realise after having my mind blown apart, is that it is only appearing that way. Both are ok. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 6:11:29 GMT
That's the point I am making. My world moves like I am the only individual who is real and everybody else moves in and out according to my clarity. If people are fighting with each, then I know how I created that Or I know something like this is going to happen even before that event took place, my inner movement tells me the outer movement as well.
I strongly believe Peace is when one is no longer expects any change outside. But when one is in such a state,then outer changes too to reflect the Peace.
Ok yes I agree with you because up until recently this too was my experience more and more. However, what I’ve come to realise after having my mind blown apart, is that it is only appearing that way.Both are ok. Can please be more specific? What's appearing that way?
By the way which country are you from? What's your native language?
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Post by Esponja on Mar 2, 2021 6:16:16 GMT
Ok yes I agree with you because up until recently this too was my experience more and more. However, what I’ve come to realise after having my mind blown apart, is that it is only appearing that way.Both are ok. Can please be more specific? What's appearing that way?
By the way which country are you from? What's your native language?
It’s what Figgles, Enigma, Muttley etc are pointing to. In simple terms, the mind creates the story around what appears in the here and NOW. Time, Control, Cause and effect are all illusions. Am in Australia, I speak English (although not as well as some of the more intellectual folk on this forum). 😊 |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 7:14:39 GMT
Can please be more specific? What's appearing that way?
By the way which country are you from? What's your native language?
It’s what Figgles, Enigma, Muttley etc are pointing to. In simple terms, the mind creates the story around what appears in the here and NOW. Time, Control, Cause and effect are all illusions. Am in Australia, I speak English (although not as well as some of the more intellectual folk on this forum). 😊 They three are saying mind is creating the theory around the happenings. But I am saying that mind is creating the entire story of what you are seeing and what you are thinking. We are creating the total unfolding, but we tend to bend the line of experience with our beliefs. |
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Post by Gopal on Mar 2, 2021 7:15:36 GMT
Can please be more specific? What's appearing that way?
By the way which country are you from? What's your native language?
It’s what Figgles, Enigma, Muttley etc are pointing to. In simple terms, the mind creates the story around what appears in the here and NOW. Time, Control, Cause and effect are all illusions. Am in Australia, I speak English (although not as well as some of the more intellectual folk on this forum).😊 Oh great! Since you said you couldn't understand what laffy was writing I thought you are also like me having some other language as your native language. |
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Post by Esponja on Mar 2, 2021 7:42:26 GMT
It’s what Figgles, Enigma, Muttley etc are pointing to. In simple terms, the mind creates the story around what appears in the here and NOW. Time, Control, Cause and effect are all illusions. Am in Australia, I speak English (although not as well as some of the more intellectual folk on this forum).😊 Oh great! Since you said you couldn't understand what laffy was writing I thought you are also like me having some other language as your native language. Haha no.. he’s just really clever and this topic is really deep and outside of the mind.. |
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