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Post by someNothing on May 4, 2020 9:12:22 GMT
Don't struggle so much. The mind and its ultimate conclusions are just confusing you. 😆 Maya is all inclusive, but not all perception is illusion.  .. (** runs for the hills **) ...Why oh why is it always the darkest before the dawn? “Stand a little out of my light” ~Diogenes |
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Post by muttley on May 4, 2020 9:19:27 GMT
Maya is all inclusive, but not all perception is illusion. .. (** runs for the hills **) ...Why oh why is it always the darkest before the dawn? “Stand a little out of my light” ~Diogenes An honest people-peep is an oxymoron.  |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 0:56:58 GMT
Okay, so why not tell me what you think oneness is so that we can discuss it rather than you just making post after post of insults? Right now, I got nuthin to say cuz I have no idea what you think oneness is. Let's be clear I have already spoken about this in reflection of what you are . So you and figs ganging up on me suggesting that I haven't answered the question is false . So please stop doing it for it is not true . I have asked you to read my post again and again to no avail . I pointed out the SVP aspect in the post that was part of my main reply made a short while ago . Now based upon what I said in these conversations and based upon what I said in more depth just recently it really does seem futile to keep repeating myself for you to ignore time and time again or forget time and time again . I have been speaking to figs about the non conceptual stuff in depth and have posted many posts about it . She ignores what I say and picks out one line . Now it seems a little silly to keep saying the same thing in many of the my posts . If peeps actually addressed the questions and theories when posted you wouldn't be asking me the same questions that relate to what I have already answered . There is nothing insulting in what I have been saying in respect of this . I don't understand half of what you write, and the half I do understand is a nonsense, and I'm guessing it's about the same for you, which tells me communication has broken down completely. Maybe we need to stop blaming each other and just accept that's the way it is. |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 1:02:32 GMT
Bullshit. You are simply blind to the insults you dish out. Perhaps it's just attempts at gaslighting. Whether conscious of it or not and the justifying intent are just other aspects to the story.
I'd say more, but it's enough to be aware of the potential.
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 1:06:20 GMT
Nowhere in all that text you posted is the term 'surrender.' Sifty high-jacked that one for his "Five simple steps to guaranteed Enlightenment" school. if you understood it you would know that Ramana is talking about surrender even though he doesn't use that word here. Now you're re-writing your sacred texts to reflect your personal view. |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 1:12:36 GMT
Bullshit. You are simply blind to the insults you dish out. You have both ganged up and continued to say that I haven't answered the question when I have . I have pointed this out more than once and asked you both to reread the post and the post where I went into this in more depth . If my memory serves me correctly it was a conversation I had with you . So for you to still back E with a non truthful expression beggars belief . There is nothing insulting in what I have been saying in this respect . You say it's bullshit, so please tell me what is so insulting about pointing out what I have been pointing out regarding this . It's like you both are accusing me of taking the last cookie when you both know I didn't . Why on earth would anyone keep on saying I did?This is the energy behind the scenes that I want you to look at . Cuz you have cookie crumbs all over your face. |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 1:15:27 GMT
Don't struggle so much. The mind and its ultimate conclusions are just confusing you. 😆 Maya is all inclusive, but not all perception is illusion. .. (** runs for the hills **) ...***hops in humvee and chases after L*** |
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Post by muttley on May 5, 2020 6:09:55 GMT
Maya is all inclusive, but not all perception is illusion. .. (** runs for the hills **) ...***hops in humvee and chases after L***  |
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Post by Enigma on May 5, 2020 19:46:34 GMT
***hops in humvee and chases after L*** Not sure I can chase you through the hills with that but I'll give it the old froggy try. |
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Post by Figgles on May 12, 2020 0:26:16 GMT
A 'straw-man argument' Sifty, if I've ever seen one. Whoever said that "nonduality IS the piercing of an illusion?"  That might be how one defines 'realization,' but not 'nonduality' itself. Sifty assumes the premise that there's a bunch of folks who stand by that definition of non-duality, and then tries to tear it down. It's a nonsense. He also insists that "there's a beautiful contradiction in nonduality"...."which is in fact FULL of so many beautiful contradictions." ...It's Sifty himself who has the wonky definition of nonduality. Nonduality is not FULL of anything....rather, nonduality = Not two...Oneness....no separation. The term nonduality is a reference to the Truth, and yes, inherent in nonduality 'teachings' is idea that that Truth gets obscured by the erroneous, imagining that separation is the case. Sifty is the king of the paradox. His entire ontology hinges upon the idea that the Truth is full of paradox. It is so not. If you are seeing paradox...you are still unawake, asleep within the dream. Plain and simple. If you are seeing paradox....you are stuck in a conceptual, mind-based idea about Truth. Of course not! Again. A staw-man. Who has said that "The Self" depends upon thinking about it in a certain way or penetrating an illusion? Indeed, Self depends upon nothing. However, absent the penetration of the illusion of separation...the illusion of the SVP, Self is obscured. Self must be realized, otherwise, limitation...actual separation is taken to be the Truth...and suffering will be the case. What is? The idea that Self is something that depends upon our thinking about it a certain way? That's the illusion we need to penetrate? I'd love for you to come up with one single example Sifty...a quote where someone is actually saying that.  |
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That might be how one defines 'realization,' but not 'nonduality' itself. 