Ignoring Thought Does Not = Freedom

Are you listening Gopal . This is why there are circular posts .

Laffy said it initially and then you jumped on the bandwagon with the suggested meaning .

I corrected you a dozen times . I explained myself in depth . Go take a walk down memory lane .

Let me say it again and I hope you are listening this time .

What you think there is only what you are means is not what it means to me and I have explained myself about what it does mean for about 4 years now .

There doesn't have to be a SVP mentioned as a concept to negate my thoughts on what you are .

There are individuals that are not separate from what you are .

You have your own concept and you are imposing it upon mine .

They are not the same . This was why I spoke about oneness in the way I did a while back . Oneness is grossly misunderstood .

There is only what you are is grossly misunderstood even after explaining how I see it for years on end .

Let's be clear I have already spoken about this in reflection of what you are . So you and figs ganging up on me suggesting that I haven't answered the question is false . So please stop doing it for it is not true . I have asked you to read my post again and again to no avail . I pointed out the SVP aspect in the post that was part of my main reply made a short while ago .

Now based upon what I said in these conversations and based upon what I said in more depth just recently it really does seem futile to keep repeating myself for you to ignore time and time again or forget time and time again .

I have been speaking to figs about the non conceptual stuff in depth and have posted many posts about it .

She ignores what I say and picks out one line .

Now it seems a little silly to keep saying the same thing in many of the my posts . If peeps actually addressed the questions and theories when posted you wouldn't be asking me the same questions that relate to what I have already answered .

There is nothing insulting in what I have been saying in respect of this .

Sifting is totally correct.

"the jiva, which is in bondage through mental identification with the body, etc., should put forth EFFORT in the form of reflection on the Self in a gradual and sustained manner; and when thus the mind gets destroyed, the jiva would become the Self."

"How long should one PRACTICE? Until the mind attains effortlessly its natural state of freedom from concepts, that is till the sense of ‘I’ and ‘mine’ exists no longer."

"The firm conviction that there is neither bondage nor liberation is the supreme purpose of all EFFORTS. As this purpose of seeing boldly, through direct experience, that bondage and liberation do not exist, cannot be achieved except with the aid of the aforesaid PRACTICES, these EFFORTS are useful."

"Due to sleep and due to thoughts the mind always loses its sharpness, its foolishness increases, and it goes to ruin. Awakening this mind with EFFORT, and without allowing it to wander, establish it in the state of Self. Persevere in this EFFORT by fixing the mind again and again in its natural state."

"If, by some great penance, that rarity, a human body is obtained, with its ability to understand the meaning of the scriptures, and yet, owing to attachment to insentient things, EFFORT is not made to attain the immutable state of liberation, which is one’s own true state, then indeed one is a fool committing suicide. What greater fool is there than one who does not seek his own good?"

"Therefore, those who are wise themselves make every EFFORT to remove the bondage of individual existence and obtain liberation, just as they would to get rid of some disease."

"Make every EFFORT to root out this error and holding fast to the knowledge of reality as the absolute Brahman, destroy the mind and obtain supreme peace."

"He who seeks liberation must examine his mind by his own EFFORTS and once the mind is purified by such introspection liberation is obtained and appears obvious and natural."

"a man must make every EFFORT to see with the eye of realization and with the mind in a state of perfect peace to see his own Self as Brahman, as the truth of non-duality shining as the Self of the whole universe."

But you finally get to effortless part.

"Jnana is the annihilation of the mind in which it is made to assume the form of the Self through the constant practice of dhyana or enquiry (vichara). The extinction of the mind is the state in which there is a CESSATION OF ALL EFFORTS."

All quotes from Ramana Maharshi