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Post by muttley on Jun 14, 2020 5:32:18 GMT
Oh, so that's the figgle-approved phrasing then? You should start a book of them. Yeah .. you'll likely not forgive me for raising my eyebrow at "seeing from beyond the dream .. an entirely different vantage point than the vantage point within experience", but that's ok, 'cause I don't need you to. Do you deny that awakening involves such a paradigm shift...? Sorry, not sure what your point is here. We just went over that, just re-read the last few posts in the dialog. The point is you set off my mystic radar.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 14, 2020 5:43:30 GMT
Do you deny that awakening involves such a paradigm shift...? Sorry, not sure what your point is here. We just went over that, just re-read the last few posts in the dialog. The point is you set off my mystic radar. And I'm still in the dark. You didn't outright say.
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Post by muttley on Jun 14, 2020 17:59:16 GMT
We just went over that, just re-read the last few posts in the dialog. The point is you set off my mystic radar. And I'm still in the dark. You didn't outright say. But I did ask you, specifically: "what is that shift, if not realization?", and then assumed your answer to be, "yes, it is realization" .. that got us to common ground. Also, similar to your criticism of andy and the "definition of separation", I've been writing about and agreeing with other's writing about realization as a shift in perspective on the two forums for the past 7 years now.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 14, 2020 18:41:27 GMT
And I'm still in the dark. You didn't outright say. But I did ask you, specifically: "what is that shift, if not realization?", and then assumed your answer to be, "yes, it is realization" .. that got us to common ground. Also, similar to your criticism of andy and the "definition of separation", I've been writing about and agreeing with other's writing about realization as a shift in perspective on the two forums for the past 7 years now. Did you use those exact words? If so, I missed it. Seems to me if I encountered that question (which IS direct) I would have known what you meant. There's a pattern to the way you engage that makes it really hard to know if you're asking questions or making statements. The inclusion of the snide tone might be part of the problem. Yes, realization is a shift, but the shift is not limited to the moment of realization. Seeing through the SVP and that being an abiding absence, means an abiding shift of paradigm.....perspective.
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Post by muttley on Jun 14, 2020 19:12:42 GMT
But I did ask you, specifically: "what is that shift, if not realization?", and then assumed your answer to be, "yes, it is realization" .. that got us to common ground. Also, similar to your criticism of andy and the "definition of separation", I've been writing about and agreeing with other's writing about realization as a shift in perspective on the two forums for the past 7 years now. Did you use those exact words? If so, I missed it. Seems to me if I encountered that question (which IS direct) I would have known what you meant. There's a pattern to the way you engage that makes it really hard to know if you're asking questions or making statements. The inclusion of the snide tone might be part of the problem. Snidely comes out in response to scoldy school marm -- just like here - if ya' hadn't noticed yet. And I have a different theory for why you often miss what is quite obvious, but shall refrain from stating it - for now - out of a polity of minimizing escalation. .. but obvious, it truly was (which is why I linked to it, btw) : what is that shift, if not realization? Yes, realization is a shift, but the shift is not limited to the moment of realization. Seeing through the SVP and that being an abiding absence, means an abiding shift of paradigm.....perspective. And yet, when I offered a translation of " awakened vantage point" to " the existential truth must be realized, and perception happens differently after realization", you rejected it. Too much agenda leads to distorted writing.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 14, 2020 19:35:45 GMT
Did you use those exact words? If so, I missed it. Seems to me if I encountered that question (which IS direct) I would have known what you meant. There's a pattern to the way you engage that makes it really hard to know if you're asking questions or making statements. The inclusion of the snide tone might be part of the problem. Snidely comes out in response to scoldy school marm -- just like here - if ya' hadn't noticed yet. And I have a different theory for why you often miss what is quite obvious, but shall refrain from stating it - for now - out of a polity of minimizing escalation. .. but obvious, it truly was (which is why I linked to it, btw) : what is that shift, if not realization? Yes, realization is a shift, but the shift is not limited to the moment of realization. Seeing through the SVP and that being an abiding absence, means an abiding shift of paradigm.....perspective. And yet, when I offered a translation of " awakened vantage point" to " the existential truth must be realized, and perception happens differently after realization", you rejected it. Too much agenda leads to distorted writing. Sorry, I didn't grasp your meaning. I find you difficult to follow/understand and I'm not the only one who says so.
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Post by muttley on Jun 14, 2020 19:44:52 GMT
Sorry, I didn't grasp your meaning. I find you difficult to follow/understand and I'm not the only one who says so. The reason you missed the obvious and asked me if I'd actually used that phrasing - which is just another form of a giraffe, btw - is because you get flustered and emotionally attached to wanting to be right, and went unconscious. It happens quite a bit with you, even if I take pains to write simply, and clearly.
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Post by Figgles on Jun 14, 2020 19:50:05 GMT
Sorry, I didn't grasp your meaning. I find you difficult to follow/understand and I'm not the only one who says so. The reason you missed the obvious and asked me if I'd actually used that phrasing - which is just another form of a giraffe, btw - is because you get flustered and emotionally attached to wanting to be right, and went unconscious. It happens quite a bit with you, even if I take pains to write simply, and clearly. Sorry man, I know you don't like hearing it, but you really are difficult to follow.
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Post by muttley on Jun 14, 2020 20:06:26 GMT
The reason you missed the obvious and asked me if I'd actually used that phrasing - which is just another form of a giraffe, btw - is because you get flustered and emotionally attached to wanting to be right, and went unconscious. It happens quite a bit with you, even if I take pains to write simply, and clearly. Sorry man, I know you don't like hearing it, but you really are difficult to follow. I don't deny that sometimes my turn of phrase goes unusual. But this ragged portrait of me as "difficult to follow" has wended it's way down fairytale lane, and is, at this point, just more food for your massive spiritual ego, just another rationalization as to why you're so right, and I'm so wrong.
Now, notice the movement of mind that is currently coursing down to your finger tips that denies interest in being right, or wrong. Save yourself the keyclicks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 22:24:21 GMT
I don't deny that sometimes my turn of phrase goes unusual. I used to have that problem too. I found that by learning to write haiku, which requires only one salient point, rarely two, made with as few words as possible, had a crossover effect in much of my writing. :-)
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