muttley
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Post by muttley on Aug 18, 2021 2:52:21 GMT
We covered this ground already about a month ago. Not disagreeing with that, it's what I meant by "Plato's Cave", bridge is your word, not mine, we simply disagree on the underlying issue and as I told you then it's my opinion there is a flavor here that you've never tasted. Just because someone disagrees with you does not necessarily mean they are completely absent reference for what you are asserting. But the premise of my conclusion isn't limited just to the fact of your disagreement.  |
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Post by muttley on Aug 18, 2021 2:53:17 GMT
spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/482169Philosphical metaphysics is an entire realization apart from Nondual pointing. They plain and simply do NOT "intersect." (No bridges). The seeing that there is no defined boundary between earth/tree, is still an 'in the dream' seeing/idea. Just as is the seeing of the boundary between tree a and tree b. Both conceptual. Just two different ways for mind to 'frame' appearances appearing. Both the imagining of a unicorn and the experience of a 3D tree, are empty appearance only. The difference between that which is imagined/pictured in mind vs. that which is actually appearing in form, is important in terms of 'being conscious as to WIBIGO.' In terms of seeing through separation, it's only erroneous imaginings that are of importance and once those are seen through, the totality of 'appearance only' stand together as 'an empty arising within/to that which abides.' (late edit that you might have missed)
As far as the intersection is concerned, it's as clear as it is literal: "reality is neither subjective, nor objective" can be meant/taken as either a pointer, or a philosophical statement.
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Post by Figgles on Aug 18, 2021 2:57:12 GMT
spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/482169Philosphical metaphysics is an entire realization apart from Nondual pointing. They plain and simply do NOT "intersect." (No bridges). The seeing that there is no defined boundary between earth/tree, is still an 'in the dream' seeing/idea. Just as is the seeing of the boundary between tree a and tree b. Both conceptual. Just two different ways for mind to 'frame' appearances appearing. Both the imagining of a unicorn and the experience of a 3D tree, are empty appearance only. The difference between that which is imagined/pictured in mind vs. that which is actually appearing in form, is important in terms of 'being conscious as to WIBIGO.' In terms of seeing through separation, it's only erroneous imaginings that are of importance and once those are seen through, the totality of 'appearance only' stand together as 'an empty arising within/to that which abides.' (late edit that you might have missed) As far as the intersection is concerned, it's as clear as it is literal: "reality is neither subjective, nor objective" can be meant/taken as either a pointer, or a philosophical statement.
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Post by muttley on Aug 18, 2021 3:14:37 GMT
(late edit that you might have missed) As far as the intersection is concerned, it's as clear as it is literal: "reality is neither subjective, nor objective" can be meant/taken as either a pointer, or a philosophical statement.
That's what "intersection" means to you? It's one facet, anyway. The most shallow and easily defined and explained. |
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Post by Figgles on Dec 12, 2021 22:45:40 GMT
What he's saying there is quite different than what I interpreted you to be saying. Clear 'witnessing,' is of course, ultimately absent "a witness" per se.... thus, he's not referencing "a perceivable/dream content,"....he's referencing a locus of seeing itself. Whereas it seemed to me you were saying that the appearance of unity within the dream-scape was/is a shadow/reflection of fundamental Oneness.
The witness as a reflection of the real in all it's purity does not equal a something that is arising/appearing within the dream-scape, 'unless' there is identification with a something/object denoted as "being a witness." I really don't think that's what he's suggesting there.
My issue with the idea that there are reflections or shadows of the existential truth within the dream hinges upon the Truth that all dream appearance is empty of Truth....you're not going to find evidence of "Oneness" through sifting through dream-content/appearance itself....that 'evidence' lies completely and well beyond/prior to any dream-content.
If 'the witness' becomes a something that appears within the dream, "witnessing consciousness" has been conceptualized into an "object/something."
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Post by Figgles on Dec 24, 2021 19:09:13 GMT
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