Peace IS Known Through Experience

You are inferring 'inner vs. outer' in my words, but there is no such division in what I am saying. Just because I remain unattached to a particular outcome, does not mean that I necessarily experience the circumstances themselves to be 'out' there somewhere, in relation to an 'in here.'

Again, a differentiation (not separation) between Being and appearance can be seen. But you see that too, and this is clearly evidenced in your insistence that we cannot know whether those that appear to us are figment or actual perceiver....right? Does that distinction between Being and that which appears, necessarily = separation....or inner vs. outer? I don't see that it does.

And I am not suggesting that at any time one becomes completely 'untouched' by all circumstance, but rather, absent attachment to outcomes, equanimity of feelings/emotions is the case.

Thus, when something unwanted happens...a job loss....relationship fails.....loved one dies...etc, sadness may still arise, but with the bliss of Being right there, abidingly underscoring it, it has no depth or staying power. It arises and falls, and has no power to take you down into the dregs of despair.

What do you make of those spiritual teachers who speak of a state of being that is rife with equanimity? Are you saying that one who has experienced years of emotional equanimity has simply not had the specific experience arise that would trigger his misery/despair?...and that because he has been emotionally balanced for so long, at some point, things must swing the other direction, and he is absolutely, necessarily in for a doozy of a circumstance, that will necessarily trigger deep, negative emotions?

No. You are misunderstanding. I have not said one remains 'untouched,' just that they do not get dragged off into the river of despair, where they lose sight of the perfection that lies fundamental to the entire play. I am aware that there are all sorts of horrific stuff that goes on in the world. But not liking those things, and envisioning something better does not equal getting dragged into suffering/despair.








yes, I see the difference. But I'm not sure how that relates to what I was saying.

& To say "I am creating what I am witnessing," is imo, not wholly wrong, but, a mixing of contexts. It really all depends upon what "you" is referencing.



Yes, I know you do. My point was; Do you think others are lying or somehow mistaken, when they speak about an experience of emotional equanimity?

It all depends upon how you define 'suffering.'

For me there is a huge and important difference between a sense of irritation that might arise and then passes on through quickly, leaving no residual emotional discord in its wake, vs. a sense of irritation that arises and then deepens into abject anger, that lingers and festers into 'a problem.'

That is the difference between one who is attached to ideas about how life should unfold, vs. one who is not.

Of course I would be moved, and if there were anything within my power to do in that moment, I would absolutely intervene to try to stop it.

My point is that there is a difference between feeling moved vs. becoming 'lost' to sense of wrongness.

By "dragged off into the happening," I am referencing a 'getting lost to/swept up in' the negative emotions that arise in response to seeing something unwanted.

When one gets lost/swept up, in the way I am referencing, he/she loses awareness of his divinity and the divine nature that is foundational to Life itself.

That does not mean that one looks at rape to conclude it's a good thing, but rather, that in spite of such things as rape, and war, and all the other unwanted stuff, LIFE itself, is a good thing.

What I am speaking of is the difference between an arising and then flowing through sense of wrongness, vs. an arising of anger that deepens into rage and then sits there, stuck, seething, brewing, festering.

A form of anger might still arise, but it has no staying power when it arises from a foundational knowing that despite whatever may be appearing, Goodness/Light, underscores all of it.