Camouflage...?

Just because I see the inherent emptiness of the totality of the dream does not mean that I am insensitive to other apparently sentient beings.

Yes Andrew, you are apparently SO sensitive to the feelings/experience of others that even in the face of you supposedly feeling bad about the plight of animals raised for meat-consumption, you admittedly go ahead and do it anyway.

If I were truly as insensitive as you say, I too would be scorfing down beef burgers and BBQ's pork and such vs. a vegetarian diet. The reason I don't eat meat is because I very much care about the potential experience of the animals involved. My behaviors actually align with my values...even in the face of my clearly seeing that all experiential content is empty of Truth. Imagine that.

you make it sound as though I go around 'refuting' the idea that others are experiencing. I don't. I accept what presents within experience at face value. It's just that I am well aware that it's all dream-stuff. Why do you believe that one becomes less sensitive to apparent sentience than certain known sentience?

Clearly when it comes to animals, I am more sensitive to the idea of their pain/fear experience than you are. How do you explain that?





I'd say a guy who is admittedly seeking for an outwardly more loving, caring, kinder world, where folks will behave in ways that reflect sensitivity to the sentience he says he knows exists in others, who still continues to eat the meat of slaughtered animals, even though he says it makes him feel bad, is telling himself an absolute whopper of a lie.

If you yourself are unable/unwilling to put your taste for the meat of sentient beings on hold in the face of your supposed quest for greater sensitivity towards others, then how is it you see this new density world, actually coming to be?

you're not following your intuitive guidance there, you're following your selfish taste for the flesh of sentient beings, who you say you know 'suffer.' ..and you even admit that you're not comfy with doing so. That there, is what E means when he talks about 'split mind.'

It's really very easy these days to eat vegan....if you care as much as you say you do, your desires for the flesh of sentient animals would eventually shift to align with your said values. It's pretty cool actually how that happens.

You're lying to yourself big time.

Accepting present moment experience does not equal knowing stuff about what appears beyond 'that' it appears.



I've told you the reason; I am sensitive to the apparent sentience in animals.....the idea of animals experiencing fear and pain for something as insignificant as a taste preferences, doesn't sit well with me so I behave accordingly.



Does your discomfort with eating animals have anything at all to do with their apparent fear/pain during the process of coming to your plate? If so, how can you (a dude who says he highly values caring, kindness, compassion) feel even a little bit ok with it?

Following a vegan diet when your values align with that, is actually very easy these days. I agree, there are certain areas where it might be difficult to align behavior with values, due to various logistics, etc, that become difficult to escape/overcome, but this really is not one of them.

I find it interesting that you have greater discomfort over the idea of other humans owning homes than you do about yourself consuming what you say you know with certainty to be, slaughtered 'sentient beings'.

Seems you give yourself a pass on many issues, this issue of diet for sure, but very easily point your finger outwards at all the awful stuff you see others committing. How can you expect others to rise to the idea of your utopic world if you yourself can't even find alignment/congruence between what you say you value (your talk) and what you do (your walk)?

Your point was that my absence of certain knowledge about others being sentient/experiencers (My Solipsism as you call it) must surely result in my being less sensitive towards others than one who knows. But right here, we have a case where I am clearly 'more' sensitive in an expressive way, to the apparent plight of sentient beings than you are. Go figure.

There is a realization that illuminates all relative knowledge as empty. Following that, your entire relationship with relative knowledge changes....you see that you actually don't know shit. It's a larger, more encompassing seeing that encompasses relative knowledge. Relative knowledge loses any and all substance it had previously, before the realization.



You actually think I'm lying about the fact that my food choices are informed by my values...by my compassion for animals?



There are much bigger lies to see through than the story-based ones you are so intently focused upon. Your caught up in the story of a world gone bad. That world itself, is a lie.