Enigma
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Post by Enigma on Dec 19, 2019 15:26:57 GMT
Not true. That's just a myth that often gets adopted by nondualist theorists like yourself. You would be quickly dead without an ego. When Buddha was stopped on the road by a passer by and asked who he was, Buddha replied, I am Awake. Who was proclaiming that? It was ego. The only difference between the ego of the unwise and the ego of a sage, is that the sage knows he is not the ego whereas the ignorant identify as ego. If the question is can I die and still be here? The answer is Yes, because it's not the body that dies, it is who you've been taking yourself to be that dies. That being said, even if the body dies, you'll still be here. You just won't be able to talk about, until you enter a new human form. There's an ego thing that dies and comes back to tell the tale? Or is that an Awareness thing?
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Post by Enigma on Dec 19, 2019 15:28:44 GMT
If the question is can I die and still be here? The answer is Yes, because it's not the body that dies, it is who you've been taking yourself to be that dies. That being said, even if the body dies, you'll still be here. You just won't be able to talk about, until you enter a new human form. You don't need to die to know that you are not the body. Remove a hand or an arm and you still remain. I'm not asking you to amputate anything mind you so please don't try this at home.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 19, 2019 15:34:04 GMT
Nah, I can't really buy into that, but I think I understand the point you're making. The ten gazillion thingies are myriad indeed, and there do seem to be many existential insights/realizations - even deep ones - that leave ego with a tight grip. If the question is, can I die and still be there to witness my death?
The answer is no. That 'no' is the reason that you fear your death and in the process temper the fear by retreating into intellectual Freedom. Yes, you can. It's all part of a dream unfolding with infinite potential, but it's not really you dying. Death is kind of a non-event, event.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 19, 2019 15:38:46 GMT
You don't need to die to know that you are not the body. Remove a hand or an arm and you still remain. I'm not asking you to amputate anything mind you so please don't try this at home. If the question is can I stay alive and experience True Freedom? The answer is no. You will only ever experience intellectual Freedom. The whole problem begins and ends with that word.
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Post by Enigma on Dec 19, 2019 16:11:59 GMT
Oh, there are no if's and's or but's about the inevitability, finality and totality of death. True enough, that what was never born can't die. Ultimately, the notion of "creation" is a misconceived optical illusion of the mind. If the question is, if I die will I know if creation is True? The answer is yes. If the question is, if I am alive can I know if Creation is True? The answer is no, you will only ever have an intellectual version of creation. You can know eggzacly what creation is and isn't in this moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:30:08 GMT
If the question is can I die and still be here? The answer is Yes, because it's not the body that dies, it is who you've been taking yourself to be that dies. That being said, even if the body dies, you'll still be here. You just won't be able to talk about, until you enter a new human form. There's an ego thing that dies and comes back to tell the tale? Or is that an Awareness thing? If the question is, can I make this an intellectual Freedom thing? Or is it an actual disappearance of you thing? The answer, is Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:43:18 GMT
If the question is, can I die and still be there to witness my death?
The answer is no. That 'no' is the reason that you fear your death and in the process temper the fear by retreating into intellectual Freedom. Yes, you can. It's all part of a dream unfolding with infinite potential, but it's not really you dying. Death is kind of a non-event, event. If the question is, if The one I've been taking myself to be, as the Witness of my Life dies, can that one be there to Witness it's own death? The answer is no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:47:01 GMT
If the question is can I stay alive and experience True Freedom? The answer is no. You will only ever experience intellectual Freedom. The whole problem begins and ends with that word. If the question IS, can 'I' fake my own death, thus resolving the 'I' problem? The answer is no.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 16:52:50 GMT
If the question is, if I die will I know if creation is True? The answer is yes. If the question is, if I am alive can I know if Creation is True? The answer is no, you will only ever have an intellectual version of creation. You can know eggzacly what creation is and isn't in this moment. If the question IS, can the one which cannot bear witness to it's own death, ever know what creation truly IS? The answer is no, it can only know it intellectually.
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