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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 4:50:44 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here.
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Post by muttley on Dec 16, 2019 15:54:19 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here. Krishna told Arjuna, essentially, "sometimes, the fight, the battle, is the flow". It's like the duck/bunny: Someone appearing to oppose something or someone might be, as you say, in opposition to the flow, or, they might be a part of it. It depends upon their internal state. This is one of the reasons I didn't take any interest in the argument, because it was possible for me at times to both agree and disagree with each side of it.
Take the example of the guy with the noisy neighbors that the guru told him: "move". It's true that in even asking the question, "what should I do?", at that point, he wasn't in the flow. But it's always possible, for anyone, at any moment, to enter the flow. If he moves out but feels all victimized and angry, he is resisting the flow. If he simply moves because it's time to move, then, he's not resisting the flow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 23:47:55 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here. Can a drop of water get out of the ocean? The drop of water IS in the ocean and the ocean IS in the drop of water.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 3:47:30 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here. Krishna told Arjuna, essentially, "sometimes, the fight, the battle, is the flow". It's like the duck/bunny: Someone appearing to oppose something or someone might be, as you say, in opposition to the flow, or, they might be a part of it. It depends upon their internal state. This is one of the reasons I didn't take any interest in the argument, because it was possible for me at times to both agree and disagree with each side of it.
Take the example of the guy with the noisy neighbors that the guru told him: "move". It's true that in even asking the question, "what should I do?", at that point, he wasn't in the flow. But it's always possible, for anyone, at any moment, to enter the flow. If he moves out but feels all victimized and angry, he is resisting the flow. If he simply moves because it's time to move, then, he's not resisting the flow.
That's definitely true. But one's realization that he is not simply the watcher of the game can't put him into the resisting mode like moving out of the place.
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Post by muttley on Dec 17, 2019 13:24:05 GMT
Krishna told Arjuna, essentially, "sometimes, the fight, the battle, is the flow". It's like the duck/bunny: Someone appearing to oppose something or someone might be, as you say, in opposition to the flow, or, they might be a part of it. It depends upon their internal state. This is one of the reasons I didn't take any interest in the argument, because it was possible for me at times to both agree and disagree with each side of it.
Take the example of the guy with the noisy neighbors that the guru told him: "move". It's true that in even asking the question, "what should I do?", at that point, he wasn't in the flow. But it's always possible, for anyone, at any moment, to enter the flow. If he moves out but feels all victimized and angry, he is resisting the flow. If he simply moves because it's time to move, then, he's not resisting the flow.
That's definitely true. But one's realization that he is not simply the watcher of the game can't put him into the resisting mode like moving out of the place. Right. The Christians say, "by their fruits ye shall know them". This kind of resistance is because they think they're a personal creator. So that's not really much of a realization, other than, a false realization.
Now, that said, it can be tricky to discern another's internal state sometimes, even if they're doing things that I might think is evidence of that kind of resistance.
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Post by Figgles on Dec 17, 2019 17:44:06 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here. What you really are, never actually gets caught up in, or is contained within the unfolding/arising/falling of events. Rather, all events, all phenomenal manifestations, arise to/within that which you are...not separate though from that. Thus, we can aptly say, I am all of it. It's wrong though to say that what appears is 'comprised of/made up of' that which lies foundational. The very idea that I am a something that is subject to moving into or out of the flow/arising of events, is misconceived.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 16:58:40 GMT
I and Satch argued here as to whether we can move out of the flow of universal creation of flow of events, if you guys are interested, then you can continue argument here. What you really are, never actually gets caught up in, or is contained within the unfolding/arising/falling of events. Rather, all events, all phenomenal manifestations, arise to/within that which you are...not separate though from that. Thus, we can aptly say, I am all of it. It's wrong though to say that what appears is 'comprised of/made up of' that which lies foundational. The very idea that I am a something that is subject to moving into or out of the flow/arising of events, is misconceived. Misconceived by What? The one misconceiving is the one that fears it's own death. That's why no one in this forum will ever Consciously accept True freedom, because they don't want to die. They substitute intellectual freedom as a proxy for True Freedom, endlessly gabbing about True Freedom. The paradox of course is that we are Freedom itself. Most people think we are on a personal journey through life. Very few grasp the Truth that we are Awareness on a journey through the Infinite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:34:41 GMT
Very few grasp the Truth that we are Awareness on a journey through the Infinite. Sounds like a five year mission to explore strange new worlds and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:52:13 GMT
Very few grasp the Truth that we are Awareness on a journey through the Infinite. Sounds like a five year mission to explore strange new worlds and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. Sounds like a way to bolster the minds intellectual Freedom through humor...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 18:00:53 GMT
Sounds like a five year mission to explore strange new worlds and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. Sounds like a way to bolster the minds intellectual Freedom through humor.. Yes, after all it is the ego which becomes enlightened, not awareness which already is.
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