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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 6:07:43 GMT
It's a pity you didn't choose to stay and directly confront zendancer (and reefs) about their spiritual fantasies. She would if they allow her freely!
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:12:45 GMT
It's a pity you didn't choose to stay and directly confront zendancer (and reefs) about their spiritual fantasies. If they'd actually engage me directly and allow me to express myself without hand-cuffs, It would have best that way, yes. That said, it appears they both log in here regularly to read my posts about their posts. We just don't get the satisfaction of their direct responses...(same as it was over on ST, really )
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:13:03 GMT
It's a pity you didn't choose to stay and directly confront zendancer (and reefs) about their spiritual fantasies. She would if they allow her freely!Exactly!
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:21:43 GMT
Well said.
A big yes to "these experiences are a hindrance." They so often are, and we are seeing just to what degree they CAN be a hindrance as ZD and Reefs cling to their experiential eureka's involving the apparent workings of the universe in an effort to uphold them as Truth.
As you aptly point out, the path of the mystic is an entirely different path than SR, but Reefs and ZD are conflating them...freedom is beyond all concepts.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:25:59 GMT
He's trying to steer you beyond the conceptual but your wheel just keeps turning back.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:31:17 GMT
Truth-talk can sometimes look like the playing out of attachments, but it's important to remember that "Truth" itself, is uncompromising.
Descriptions of supposed realizations are by their very nature, extremely telling, for the very reason that freedom lies beyond the conceptual.
There's not all that much that can be described about a 'loss/seeing through/absence.' And if there is lots talk about it, it will be absent experiential descriptions, absent stories about experiential content.
You make it sound as though there is wiggle room involved all this. There isn't. Either there's a loss/seeing through of the conceptual or there isn't. Much like pregnancy, there's no 'little bit.'
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2020 16:36:58 GMT
There are no 'exceptions.' Truth is uncompromising.
If you look closely, there is fear beneath your desire for there to be 'an exception.' What would it mean for that exception to go? It would mean there is no-thing at all arising in experience, nothing that you can conceive of, hold in your thought or ideation, no experience however awe-inspiring, however beautiful, however compelling it may be, that is Truth. It's understandable that the mere idea of having to relinquish that might invoke fear.
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