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Post by Figgles on Aug 26, 2018 16:32:38 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 26, 2018 17:32:40 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. The secret of the squirrel satsangs. Unmasked. Does this mean that the Chickens are gonna' nuke us in revenge like a few thousand years from now??  |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 26, 2018 22:43:42 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. The secret of the squirrel satsangs. Unmasked. Does this mean that the Chickens are gonna' nuke us in revenge like a few thousand years from now?? Good question! Andrew...? |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 26, 2018 22:53:58 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. I, too, took a few peeks at this fourth density thing this morning. This particular link surpassed most of the others I happened upon- robertjrgraham.com/what-does-the-4th-density-mean/It read rather easily for me. It was simple. Familiar. I'm not surprised by the Mayan flavor within the context. The others descriptions I happened upon, not so much... Oh boy....That article has a lot more 'story' behind it.......last chance, if you don't get on the 4th density bus, you're f-ed, kind of thing.  This bit caught my interest; "Those who have achieved Ascension (and there are very, very, Very few!) by tuning their body and spirit to the 4th dimensional energies will be able to pass into this new physical reality with ease. The rest of us may not. The opportunity for ascension may not occur again for many millions of years until it is once more possible for incarnations in the 3rd realm. " It seems that Andrew deems himself and others like himself who are actively eschewing, rejecting and resisting the present world and world systems that currently face them......what he's failing to see is that warring against that which you hate is precisely what stands in the way of transcendence. There's no way he can both be 'tuned to transcendence' AND deeply resisting 'what is.' |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2018 3:04:41 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. As I mentioned to Andy a couple of times, his description of 4th density pretty much agrees with what we've been telling him and contradicts what he's been doing. It would be ironic if 'we' ended up on the 4th density spaceship and it launched without the 4th density lightworkers.  |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2018 3:06:53 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. I, too, took a few peeks at this fourth density thing this morning. This particular link surpassed most of the others I happened upon- robertjrgraham.com/what-does-the-4th-density-mean/It read rather easily for me. It was simple. Familiar. I'm not surprised by the Mayan flavor within the context. The others descriptions I happened upon, not so much... Seems like the guy makes a decent living at this. People want an explanation, they want a story, and a simple conceptual framework they can understand so they can make sense of things. His comments about string theory are distorted hyperbole, the first few "densities" remind me of the way the ancient Greeks used to divide up the world into different "elements" ( + the "Gods"), and the rest of it is the exact same sort of echo chamber as the material realists who dominate the mainstream, just turned inside-out, upside-down and on it's head.
The simple, subtle and pervasive being that we are all is so much more profound, unfathomable and even ultimately, more interesting than any set of rules the mind can ever observe by experiment or contrive through creative thought. Doesn't matter if it's a skeptical scientist or someone like Graham or even a genuine primitive Shaman. Doesn't matter if they're documenting the results of a particle accelerator, reading tarrot cards, mapping the neo-cortex with mri's, throwing bones and mixing blood and dust in a bowl by a fire or consulting a ouija board. They all misconceive of themselves in contrast to what appears to them, and what Graham wrote about "oneness" was classic existential contextual confusion.
Not only are none of those models useful to "find" that being, they're nothing but a distraction. All one needs is to look at what they perceive as "inward", and allow the mind to quiescence long enough, and depending on the peep, often enough. Realization might still take grace, but if the gaze is sincere then insight is inevitable.
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2018 3:09:11 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. The secret of the squirrel satsangs. Unmasked. Does this mean that the Chickens are gonna' nuke us in revenge like a few thousand years from now?? I did start to get suspicious when some of the squirrels started showing up to the satsangs with laptops.  |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2018 3:12:08 GMT
The secret of the squirrel satsangs. Unmasked. Does this mean that the Chickens are gonna' nuke us in revenge like a few thousand years from now?? Good question! Andrew...? Maybe that solves the mystery of these 5000 year armageddon cycles.  |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2018 3:16:26 GMT
I, too, took a few peeks at this fourth density thing this morning. This particular link surpassed most of the others I happened upon- robertjrgraham.com/what-does-the-4th-density-mean/It read rather easily for me. It was simple. Familiar. I'm not surprised by the Mayan flavor within the context. The others descriptions I happened upon, not so much... Oh boy....That article has a lot more 'story' behind it.......last chance, if you don't get on the 4th density bus, you're f-ed, kind of thing. This bit caught my interest; "Those who have achieved Ascension (and there are very, very, Very few!) by tuning their body and spirit to the 4th dimensional energies will be able to pass into this new physical reality with ease. The rest of us may not. The opportunity for ascension may not occur again for many millions of years until it is once more possible for incarnations in the 3rd realm. " It seems that Andrew deems himself and others like himself who are actively eschewing, rejecting and resisting the present world and world systems that currently face them......what he's failing to see is that warring against that which you hate is precisely what stands in the way of transcendence. There's no way he can both be 'tuned to transcendence' AND deeply resisting 'what is.' Maybe he can video the 4th density ship launch for us on his cellphone. |
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Post by Enigma on Aug 27, 2018 3:25:41 GMT
I, too, took a few peeks at this fourth density thing this morning. This particular link surpassed most of the others I happened upon- robertjrgraham.com/what-does-the-4th-density-mean/It read rather easily for me. It was simple. Familiar. I'm not surprised by the Mayan flavor within the context. The others descriptions I happened upon, not so much... Seems like the guy makes a decent living at this. People want an explanation, they want a story, and a simple conceptual framework they can understand so they can make sense of things. His comments about string theory are distorted hyperbole, the first few "densities" remind me of the way the ancient Greeks used to divide up the world into different "elements" ( + the "Gods"), and the rest of it is the exact same sort of echo chamber as the material realists who dominate the mainstream, just turned inside-out, upside-down and on it's head.
The simple, subtle and pervasive being that we are all is so much more profound, unfathomable and even ultimately, more interesting than any set of rules the mind can ever observe by experiment or contrive through creative thought. Doesn't matter if it's a skeptical scientist or someone like Graham or even a genuine primitive Shaman. Doesn't matter if they're documenting the results of a particle accelerator, reading tarrot cards, mapping the neo-cortex with mri's, throwing bones and mixing blood and dust in a bowl by a fire or consulting a ouija board. They all misconceive of themselves in contrast to what appears to them, and what Graham wrote about "oneness" was classic existential contextual confusion.
Not only are none of those models useful to "find" that being, they're nothing but a distraction. All one needs is to look at what they perceive as "inward", and allow the mind to quiescence long enough, and depending on the peep, often enough. Realization might still take grace, but if the gaze is sincere then insight is inevitable.
I take it you won't be reserving a seat on the 4th density mother ship?  |
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