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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2018 6:42:43 GMT
Oh boy....That article has a lot more 'story' behind it.......last chance, if you don't get on the 4th density bus, you're f-ed, kind of thing.  This bit caught my interest; "Those who have achieved Ascension (and there are very, very, Very few!) by tuning their body and spirit to the 4th dimensional energies will be able to pass into this new physical reality with ease. The rest of us may not. The opportunity for ascension may not occur again for many millions of years until it is once more possible for incarnations in the 3rd realm. "It seems that Andrew deems himself and others like himself who are actively eschewing, rejecting and resisting the present world and world systems that currently face them......what he's failing to see is that warring against that which you hate is precisely what stands in the way of transcendence. There's no way he can both be 'tuned to transcendence' AND deeply resisting 'what is.' Yes, the bolded didn't really sit well with me, either. But the writing was better than some of the others I read this morning.I mean, we all came upon this plane innocent, complete, and whole. Simple. Realizing we are not the mind regenerates that. Even simpler. Hehe...yup, some of the write-ups take on some very creative story-telling. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2018 6:45:28 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. As I mentioned to Andy a couple of times, his description of 4th density pretty much agrees with what we've been telling him and contradicts what he's been doing. It would be ironic if 'we' ended up on the 4th density spaceship and it launched without the 4th density lightworkers.  Hehe...Ironic indeed. |
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Post by Figgles on Aug 27, 2018 7:00:14 GMT
Oh boy....That article has a lot more 'story' behind it.......last chance, if you don't get on the 4th density bus, you're f-ed, kind of thing. This bit caught my interest; "Those who have achieved Ascension (and there are very, very, Very few!) by tuning their body and spirit to the 4th dimensional energies will be able to pass into this new physical reality with ease. The rest of us may not. The opportunity for ascension may not occur again for many millions of years until it is once more possible for incarnations in the 3rd realm. " It seems that Andrew deems himself and others like himself who are actively eschewing, rejecting and resisting the present world and world systems that currently face them......what he's failing to see is that warring against that which you hate is precisely what stands in the way of transcendence. There's no way he can both be 'tuned to transcendence' AND deeply resisting 'what is.' Maybe he can video the 4th density ship launch for us on his cellphone. |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2018 15:00:36 GMT
Seems like the guy makes a decent living at this. People want an explanation, they want a story, and a simple conceptual framework they can understand so they can make sense of things. His comments about string theory are distorted hyperbole, the first few "densities" remind me of the way the ancient Greeks used to divide up the world into different "elements" ( + the "Gods"), and the rest of it is the exact same sort of echo chamber as the material realists who dominate the mainstream, just turned inside-out, upside-down and on it's head.
The simple, subtle and pervasive being that we are all is so much more profound, unfathomable and even ultimately, more interesting than any set of rules the mind can ever observe by experiment or contrive through creative thought. Doesn't matter if it's a skeptical scientist or someone like Graham or even a genuine primitive Shaman. Doesn't matter if they're documenting the results of a particle accelerator, reading tarrot cards, mapping the neo-cortex with mri's, throwing bones and mixing blood and dust in a bowl by a fire or consulting a ouija board. They all misconceive of themselves in contrast to what appears to them, and what Graham wrote about "oneness" was classic existential contextual confusion.
Not only are none of those models useful to "find" that being, they're nothing but a distraction. All one needs is to look at what they perceive as "inward", and allow the mind to quiescence long enough, and depending on the peep, often enough. Realization might still take grace, but if the gaze is sincere then insight is inevitable.
Interesting post When I wrote- "It read rather easily for me. It was simple. Familiar", I was referencing a mid-Winter read of Tolle's- A New Earth. His one page conclusion for the first chapter titled- A New Heaven And A New Earth was the familiarity being pointed to. Well, actually, the whole first chapter. Lots of similarities. That's cool, sorry for any condescension that bled through on that, I didn't mean to disparage you, your understandings or what you wrote. My recollection is that "Earth" was about a shift in the way most people perceive and relate to the world and each other. As I recall he got his point across without having to explain about regions of space, the Mayan calendar, spacecraft, historical astronomical or geological cycles, string theory, reincarnation or different spiritual "planes". But I only read it once so my recollection might be faulty.
Remember writing this? See now, I see that as an example of how complexity, as expressed by intellect, can be quite beautiful. I find Graham's writing to be sort of desperately and childishly simplistic in comparison. He's obviously skillful in his presentation because he's got an audience, but often a large audience is collected by appealing to a desire that can never really be fulfilled, and with false promises about the potential for that fulfillment. From what I can tell, the merchants who succeed this way often as not believe the falsities their wares are founded on.
And the only reason I'm pursuing this talk with you is because I see writing like Graham's as a potential distraction because his writing, and other author's that write on the same topics, are addressing existential questions. Not directly, but, rather, essentially just assumed as a premise: "why are we here?", "how did things get to be the way they are?", "what happens next to me? my family? and what should I do to anticipate it?" etc.. The same critique would apply to people who write work based in science like Tyson or Sagan or Brian Greene or Michio Kaku, and, of course, to any religious texts.
Now, I don't mean to imply that Graham would be a distraction for you, in particular, and I've got authors I like to read and to whom the same critique would apply. It's just a topic I find interesting, generally speaking. There's no existential question involved in what you wrote about golfing, either in the science of it, or the Zen of it.  |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2018 15:01:54 GMT
Seems like the guy makes a decent living at this. People want an explanation, they want a story, and a simple conceptual framework they can understand so they can make sense of things. His comments about string theory are distorted hyperbole, the first few "densities" remind me of the way the ancient Greeks used to divide up the world into different "elements" ( + the "Gods"), and the rest of it is the exact same sort of echo chamber as the material realists who dominate the mainstream, just turned inside-out, upside-down and on it's head.
The simple, subtle and pervasive being that we are all is so much more profound, unfathomable and even ultimately, more interesting than any set of rules the mind can ever observe by experiment or contrive through creative thought. Doesn't matter if it's a skeptical scientist or someone like Graham or even a genuine primitive Shaman. Doesn't matter if they're documenting the results of a particle accelerator, reading tarrot cards, mapping the neo-cortex with mri's, throwing bones and mixing blood and dust in a bowl by a fire or consulting a ouija board. They all misconceive of themselves in contrast to what appears to them, and what Graham wrote about "oneness" was classic existential contextual confusion.
Not only are none of those models useful to "find" that being, they're nothing but a distraction. All one needs is to look at what they perceive as "inward", and allow the mind to quiescence long enough, and depending on the peep, often enough. Realization might still take grace, but if the gaze is sincere then insight is inevitable.
I take it you won't be reserving a seat on the 4th density mother ship?  ... too too easy .. I can't .. I just can't... |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2018 15:07:37 GMT
The secret of the squirrel satsangs. Unmasked. Does this mean that the Chickens are gonna' nuke us in revenge like a few thousand years from now??  I did start to get suspicious when some of the squirrels started showing up to the satsangs with laptops.  As long as they don't start wearing Nike's and asking for Starbucks coffee ice cream.  |
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Post by muttley on Aug 27, 2018 21:35:09 GMT
That's cool, sorry for any condescension that bled through on that, I didn't mean to disparage you, your understandings or what you wrote. My recollection is that "Earth" was about a shift in the way most people perceive and relate to the world and each other. As I recall he got his point across without having to explain about regions of space, the Mayan calendar, spacecraft, historical astronomical or geological cycles, string theory, reincarnation or different spiritual "planes". But I only read it once so my recollection might be faulty.
Remember writing this? See now, I see that as an example of how complexity, as expressed by intellect, can be quite beautiful. I find Graham's writing to be sort of desperately and childishly simplistic in comparison. He's obviously skillful in his presentation because he's got an audience, but often a large audience is collected by appealing to a desire that can never really be fulfilled, and with false promises about the potential for that fulfillment. From what I can tell, the merchants who succeed this way often as not believe the falsities their wares are founded on.
And the only reason I'm pursuing this talk with you is because I see writing like Graham's as a potential distraction because his writing, and other author's that write on the same topics, are addressing existential questions. Not directly, but, rather, essentially just assumed as a premise: "why are we here?", "how did things get to be the way they are?", "what happens next to me? my family? and what should I do to anticipate it?" etc.. The same critique would apply to people who write work based in science like Tyson or Sagan or Brian Greene or Michio Kaku, and, of course, to any religious texts.
Now, I don't mean to imply that Graham would be a distraction for you, in particular, and I've got authors I like to read and to whom the same critique would apply. It's just a topic I find interesting, generally speaking. There's no existential question involved in what you wrote about golfing, either in the science of it, or the Zen of it. Hey! Easy there big fella! I was just trying to understand what A was pointing at with the 4th density thingy. I felt that particular article likely expressed it best. I'm surely not going to sign up for his newsletter. I'm doing fine with I am not the mind. (** hairpulling, hairpulling **) "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhh!!!" (** froths at the mouth **) (** writhes on the floor **)
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Post by muttley on Aug 28, 2018 16:02:38 GMT
(** hairpulling, hairpulling **) "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggghhh!!!" (** froths at the mouth **) (** writhes on the floor **)
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yeah, I know.... Apologies..... Maybe I need to listen to some elevator music, or something.... no, no-not you ... I was self-mocking the two too serious mini-textwalls on Graham and the new age, so, no need. |
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Post by Figgles on Oct 24, 2018 17:43:58 GMT
I figured before I got too carried away mocking Andrew's "4th density shift" talk, ....I best look into what 4th density actually references. Found lots of info.... an article linked to below that seems to provide a good summation. www.getcenteredcounseling.org/single-post/2017/06/06/Hang-on-It-only-gets-better-4th-Density-is-a-lot-more-funKinda funny, 'cause what's being described is very close to what I've been trying to address with Andrew as he's been speaking from his position of condemnation towards the way he sees things as currently operating. It sounds as though what's being described is a shift into simply 'being more conscious,' a movement into waking up. Indeed, fear, conflict, anger, do not serve 'the light/love frequency of creation.' That's what I've been trying to tell Andrew. You don't get to a place of harmony by thrumming an abiding note of judgement/condemnation towards what you deem to be disharmony. Number 2 is interesting and I couldn't agree more. (You, Andrew, may find the bolded bit of interest)... However, It's important to note; A deep focus, such as yours upon the wrongness of consumerism, etc, is itself 'undue focus upon a superficial topic.' There is nothing to prove...nothing to do. Simply Being conscious, is enough. And I couldn't agree more with #3. I for one, am no longer interested in engaging with those who tell victim stories or who bring the absence of self honesty/ability to be real/transparent to the table. I've found I've become very selective when it comes to socializing in any way. I much prefer my own company to hanging out with someone who is still mired in surface judgements...in stories about how wrong current circumstances are. A strong focus upon "Bringing the Light to world issues that need solving", is as I see it, precisely what's being referenced in that article as 'victim stories.' So there you have it...the type of shift that's described in that particular article, I too am on board with, all for, except, my 'being on board' does not entail any action plans of seeking to bring forth such a shift...as I see it, it's already unfolding in that direction...nothing to do...no urgency......nothing intrinsically wrong with what's happening now. As I mentioned to Andy a couple of times, his description of 4th density pretty much agrees with what we've been telling him and contradicts what he's been doing. It would be ironic if 'we' ended up on the 4th density spaceship and it launched without the 4th density lightworkers. I hear one of the test questions they ask folks as they're in line for ship boarding is "Do you know whether all these other folks in line with you are actually perceiving as they appear to be"? And if you say 'yes' they boot yer arse straight out of the line.  |
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