LOA Teachings Assume Cause/Effect

Lolly:
I'm pretty much with Buddha (as ZD describes) on this one, but even if we don't need it, there are volumes written on the subject, and I'd argue it does takes volumes to unpack the nuance of craving, but what philosophical mind could grasp it all, and how much of it can be misread or used to further cult-like agendas?

I'm not into those things, so I claim you need to watch yourself to understand what it is tacitly, and how you cause it, and it seems to me to be a very subtle thing to comprehend. The typical person takes suffering to be what's normal in life, so they don't discern and identify it specifically, let alone consider their own activity to be its cause.

I have noticed two types of people. One class goes through life thinking 'this is happening', and the other class think 'this is happening to me'. The latter class seem not selfish as such, but completely unaware of consideration altogether. I speak to them from the standpoint of a big world where everything happens, and quickly discover they have absolutely no comprehension of that standpoint.

I spend my days finding the flow, so I'm not actually trying to get everything done, but aspiring to perfection, and I sound insane with delusions of grandeur, but there is a way in which everything falls into place just as you want without anyone trying to make it all happen that way. The desire 'it should be other than this' is actually a hindrance, and even Buddha defined 'hindrances' as he must have cottoned onto something. He lists sensuous desire, ill-will, sloth, restlessness and doubt, but you can see how the first of these gives rise to the rest.

I have to start it, concentrate, be aware and do things at my very best, but then it happens in its own way, just as I want it, as if it couldn't be any other way, and even when I determine that everything is going wrong, it's just that something I wasn't considering is going right - which I realise a bit later on - and then think I should never have doubted it in the first place.

I did a job for a guy. Hard work taking down his palm fronds and dragging them up to the verge. All sweet, but then he called me and said the dumping guys wouldn't take the load, and who blames them, the fronds are horrid spiny things, and I was like, 'Oh no, it's all gone wrong', and I'll have to run up there with my trailer and take them myself - big hassle - but actually, it wasn't going wrong. It ended up my brother pitched in to help out and we made a great morning out of it, and as soon as we were done, my other brother dropped in, his missus made toasted sangas, coffee in the rain, and everything was great... all because 'everything went wrong'. I did all the hindrances, stressed, doubted, worried, since I wanted things to be not as they were, but actually, something else was moving perfectly and I just I didn't realise it til later on, and wasted a good deal of time making myself miserable all because of desire. I can turn it around, as it may seems like the apple cart is upturned, but just trust instead, and see what transpires.

Mutt:
Deliberate creation certainly implicates an individual, and, so, implicates the existential question.

Prior to realizing the answer to that question, setting goals and going about achieving them happens one way: the conventional, consensus way. Afterward, it happens quite differently, but it can happen that a goal is set, and worked toward. The mountain is once again, a mountain, a goal is, once again, a goal, and a river, .. well, you get the drift, I'm sure ...

There is the outward look, the appearance of the situation. This is always described in terms of objects. Those are only ever a convenience for the purposes of a dialog.