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Post by Figgles on Mar 8, 2018 19:36:39 GMT
Seriously?  You obviously still do not get what's being said when the totality of experiential content, each seemingly individualized appearance, is being referenced as 'dream stuff.' For one to be capable of 'lying' or 'being mistaken' they would have to actually BE consciously self aware....actually experiencing. When another tells me he is experiencing, is self aware, smells something nice, that he feels cold, or in pain, that is part and parcel of the dream. While lucid, I've also had night time dream characters tell me that they are 'real'....just because they say so does not have me any more or less convinced because they're saying so is also arising within the content of the dream...it's part and parcel of the dream 'content.' |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 8, 2018 22:02:00 GMT
Yeah, it's the nature of illusions to look like logical, common sense no-brainers that can be proven with video evidence and scientific studies, and so the challenge is to see through them by questioning their foundations through realization and 'looking within' to see how we create them.Precisely. An important point. Trusted sources and teachers can indeed serve to get us looking in the right place, and it's always cool when what we see aligns with what the teachers say they see, but ultimately, it needs to be seen that they too, the teachers and the teachings as well as our sense of resonance with them, is all too, part and parcel of the dream content. Just because I have come to deeply trust Seth and "Seth Says..." this or that, does not by virture of that, make it 'Truth.' |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 8, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
I was reading over there early this morning. Reefs, in a convo with, Andrew, seems to 'THINK" he needs to babysit enigma. That should be fun to watch.  Well, somebody needs to straighten me out, what with all my 'he said/she said' nonsense.  Yeah, I didn't get why he used that term....very poor description of what I see to be just a basic disagreement that may or may not have differing definitions contributing to it. Isn't 'he said she said' the kind of argument that happens when a guy and gal are disputing whether or not there was consent?  (I found some funny pics to post, but in this case, figured it was kinder to spare you the visuals ) |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 9, 2018 0:35:02 GMT
What i don't think you understand Andrew (and yes, I'm speaking directly to you here as although you have indeed stopped posting, I am well aware that you, or someone with your IP, logs in many times daily, and you have therefore, not in fact, 'lost interest in reading along' as you suggested over on ST), is that E is offering you a 'gift' here.....the opportunity to see how much of what you think you 'know', the stuff that makes your hurt, is actually just being imagined. (And seeing that in no way equals my saying that experimenting on babies either human or monkey, in such a way is ok).
The baby experiment makes me cringe too...and if I think about it too long, I would likely start to cry, but I am also very well aware that the entirety of the story that would lead me to tears, is of my own imagining.
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Post by Figgles on Mar 9, 2018 1:57:06 GMT
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Post by Enigma on Mar 9, 2018 5:39:21 GMT
Exactly. Don't know what Reefs is referencing at all when he says he checked your post dumpster and saw that you assassinated those terms. Exactly. Well said. This whole conflating of Consciousness/Awareness with 'being conscious and aware' dealy, as I see it, is very telling in terms of what's actually been realized (or in this case, what hasn't). Has one who says he's realized that it's all consciousness, and he is none-other than that, actually Self-realized if he ascribes the quality of 'being self aware' to every object that arises in/of consciousness? I don't see how that could be. The actual realization that there is but One, there is no separation and that I am not-other than that, has inherent in it, the seeing that that One 'thing/substrate' is not at all a 'thing' and thus, it absent all assignation of 'quality.' Yes, I was surprised to read that Consciousness has qualities, but it was yet another can of worms that I didn't feel like opening. |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 9, 2018 6:05:44 GMT
I'd also like to mention that through sharing your Satsang & relationship with Marie stories, you've also clearly relayed that it is precisely because of the 'absence' of all sorts of stuff, that the love you experience with and for her, continues to flows so unimpeded. Seems to me it could even be said that it's in the absence of fixed 'knowledge' you have about each other in general, that there is the absence then of fixed expectation re: the other, that allows that love to so freely flow. (love without an object). Yes. There's something I'd like to convey but I don't know how. When these realizations are embodied, there is, in a way, only Love happening. There's no need to know about the status of an other as relationship is not with some other. It only occurred to me recently that folks need to know if another is 'real' or if another suffers before Love can be allowed to move. |
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Post by Enigma on Mar 9, 2018 6:27:07 GMT
Well, somebody needs to straighten me out, what with all my 'he said/she said' nonsense. Yeah, I didn't get why he used that term....very poor description of what I see to be just a basic disagreement that may or may not have differing definitions contributing to it. Isn't 'he said she said' the kind of argument that happens when a guy and gal are disputing whether or not there was consent? (I found some funny pics to post, but in this case, figured it was kinder to spare you the visuals ) Oh, I'm always up for some funny pics. The explanation I settled on is when Andy and I go back and forth quoting each other and ourselves trying to correct misunderstandings or perceived misunderstandings. It's true that it happens a lot. |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 9, 2018 16:39:16 GMT
Exactly. Don't know what Reefs is referencing at all when he says he checked your post dumpster and saw that you assassinated those terms. Exactly. Well said. This whole conflating of Consciousness/Awareness with 'being conscious and aware' dealy, as I see it, is very telling in terms of what's actually been realized (or in this case, what hasn't). Has one who says he's realized that it's all consciousness, and he is none-other than that, actually Self-realized if he ascribes the quality of 'being self aware' to every object that arises in/of consciousness? I don't see how that could be. The actual realization that there is but One, there is no separation and that I am not-other than that, has inherent in it, the seeing that that One 'thing/substrate' is not at all a 'thing' and thus, it absent all assignation of 'quality.' Yes, I was surprised to read that Consciousness has qualities, but it was yet another can of worms that I didn't feel like opening. Yup, I hear ya. & It's a big one.  |
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Post by Figgles on Mar 9, 2018 16:43:45 GMT
I'd also like to mention that through sharing your Satsang & relationship with Marie stories, you've also clearly relayed that it is precisely because of the 'absence' of all sorts of stuff, that the love you experience with and for her, continues to flows so unimpeded. Seems to me it could even be said that it's in the absence of fixed 'knowledge' you have about each other in general, that there is the absence then of fixed expectation re: the other, that allows that love to so freely flow. (love without an object). Yes. There's something I'd like to convey but I don't know how. When these realizations are embodied, there is, in a way, only Love happening. There's no need to know about the status of an other as relationship is not with some other. It only occurred to me recently that folks need to know if another is 'real' or if another suffers before Love can be allowed to move. You conveyed that well. Perfectly said. And yes, clearly, for some that knowledge has to be firmly in place for precisely the reason you state....Love doesn't move otherwise. |
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