Pain vs. Suffering

Yeah......pretty strange indeed the way he personifies a feeling, as though it has a mind of it's own and is running the show. It explains much though.

Your response in the convo below was perfect:








Ya mean feelings don't have needs and wants and stamp their little stubborn feet when they don't get their own way??

TBH, It's become clear that Andrew is largely unconscious to what's going on within, but I had no idea it was to that extent that he was divorcing himself specifically from feeling, so overtly or obviously. Wow.

Yeah, it's the nature of illusions to look like logical, common sense no-brainers that can be proven with video evidence and scientific studies, and so the challenge is to see through them by questioning their foundations through realization and 'looking within' to see how we create them. 

We don't really have to guess about the nature of suffering because we personally are the cause of our own, and we can see how we do that. We can see the difference between our own sense of existing and our own min/body identification, and we can see how that relates to suffering. We can also see how feeling arises, what triggers and sustains it, and how it moves in the body. 

Even turning to sources we trust like Seth, A/H and the sages, is not looking within and inevitably we'll form the same sort of illusions around what we hear. 

 

Exactly. Don't know what Reefs is referencing at all when he says he checked your post dumpster and saw that you assassinated those terms.



Exactly. Well said.

This whole conflating of Consciousness/Awareness with 'being conscious and aware' dealy, as I see it, is very telling in terms of what's actually been realized (or in this case, what hasn't).

Has one who says he's realized that it's all consciousness, and he is none-other than that, actually Self-realized if he ascribes the quality of 'being self aware' to every object that arises in/of consciousness? I don't see how that could be.

The actual realization that there is but One, there is no separation and that I am not-other than that, has inherent in it, the seeing that that One 'thing/substrate' is not at all a 'thing' and thus, it absent all assignation of 'quality.'

You know suffering happens due to directly knowing suffering. And yes, it is not wrong to say that that is therefore 'your' suffering. (yes, pronouns are allowed, even after SR )

But appearing people and animals are only ever known to you via experience....they never become anything more than an appearance to you. ("You" being the equivalent of Being/existence).

Thus, the only way you know of their suffering is via what appears to your senses, what you see them doing, what you hear, feel...( includes intuition). All of that is of the realm of experience...and so long as you are talking about an appearing human/person, you are engaging with experience/appearance.