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Post by Figgles on Jan 16, 2018 17:32:57 GMT
I pulled the following conversation between Reefs and Justlikeyou from ST, as I see JLY making an important point with regards to suffering. Because Reefs has indicated he is quite into AH, I am quite surprised to see that he doubts that acceptance of emotional pain has a similar result to acceptance of physical pain.
It is after all the judgement of and resistance to, momentary arisings of feelings of sorrow, irritation and fear, that escalates them into a depth that can be called 'suffering.' (Great Tolle quotes JLY added at the bottom)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 0:16:33 GMT
Nice find, figs.  I've been reading over there, too, at times. JLY has really found his stride, and his give and take with zendancer when they get together is really quite divine. Rock on, fellas. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 17, 2018 0:48:51 GMT
I pulled the following conversation between Reefs and Justlikeyou from ST, as I see JLY making an important point with regards to suffering. Because Reefs has indicated he is quite into AH, I am quite surprised to see that he doubts that acceptance of emotional pain has a similar result to acceptance of physical pain. It is after all the judgement of and resistance to, momentary arisings of feelings of sorrow, irritation and fear, that escalates them into a depth that can be called 'suffering.' (Great Tolle quotes JLY added at the bottom) I find myself wondering if you would have posted this if it been a conversation between JLY and ZD or JLY and lolly. Is this post about suffering/acceptance, or is it about Reefs? |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 17, 2018 2:03:18 GMT
I pulled the following conversation between Reefs and Justlikeyou from ST, as I see JLY making an important point with regards to suffering. Because Reefs has indicated he is quite into AH, I am quite surprised to see that he doubts that acceptance of emotional pain has a similar result to acceptance of physical pain. It is after all the judgement of and resistance to, momentary arisings of feelings of sorrow, irritation and fear, that escalates them into a depth that can be called 'suffering.' (Great Tolle quotes JLY added at the bottom) I find myself wondering if you would have posted this if it been a conversation between JLY and ZD or JLY and lolly. Is this post about suffering/acceptance, or is it about Reefs? I figured you'd chime in here with exactly what you did.  It's a subject I want to explore...what exactly it is that turns an arising feeling of sorrow, irritation or fear into a feeling that lingers and intensifies.....basically what lies behind and gives rise to 'suffering.' But yes, re: Reefs, I am indeed very surprised to see that he of all people replied as he did....that he sees relaxing into a physical pain as helping to lighten the intensity but not an emotional pain. However, and Fwiw, I feel I would have posted the conversation regardless of who was on each end, but of course, you are entitled to your own opinions about that.  More than my interest & surprise in what Reefs said, was my resonance with what JLY said, and the Tolle quotes he posted to augment his point. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 17, 2018 2:06:57 GMT
I find myself wondering if you would have posted this if it been a conversation between JLY and ZD or JLY and lolly. Is this post about suffering/acceptance, or is it about Reefs? I figured you'd chime in here with exactly what you did. It's a subject I want to explore...what exactly it is that turns an arising feeling of sorrow, irritation or fear into a feeling that lingers and intensifies.....basically what lies behind and gives rise to 'suffering.' But yes, re: Reefs, I am indeed very surprised to see that he of all people replied as he did....that he sees relaxing into a physical pain as helping to lighten the intensity but not an emotional pain. However, and Fwiw, I feel I would have posted the conversation regardless of who was on each end, but of course, you are entitled to your own opinions about that. More than my interest & surprise in what Reefs said, was my resonance with what JLY said, and the Tolle quotes he posted to augment his point. just as you figured I would chime in, what you said here is expected. What else could you say? ''My irritation at Reefs over stuff that happened months ago is still playing itself out''? The context doesn't really support you in saying that, even if it was true. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 17, 2018 2:19:43 GMT
just as you figured I would chime in, what you said here is expected. What else could you say? ''My irritation at Reefs over stuff that happened months ago is still playing itself out''? The context doesn't really support you in saying that, even if it was true. Yes, I'm freakin' pissed at the guy and really got him good with that one, didn't I. Absolutely nailed him to the wall by pointing out that he surprised me. I'll be reveling in the glow I got from catching him up there for weeks....months maybe.  |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 17, 2018 2:27:29 GMT
just as you figured I would chime in, what you said here is expected. What else could you say? ''My irritation at Reefs over stuff that happened months ago is still playing itself out''? The context doesn't really support you in saying that, even if it was true. Yes, I'm freakin' pissed at the guy and really got him good with that one, didn't I. Absolutely nailed him to the wall by pointing out that he surprised me. I'll be reveling in the glow I got from catching him up there for weeks....months maybe. Well what you are suggesting is that Reefs is demonstrating a form of ignorance about something spiritually related. It's not really about 'getting him good' is it, you aren't daft enough to believe that you could 'get him good'....minor point scoring seems more realistic. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 17, 2018 2:44:36 GMT
Yes, I'm freakin' pissed at the guy and really got him good with that one, didn't I. Absolutely nailed him to the wall by pointing out that he surprised me. I'll be reveling in the glow I got from catching him up there for weeks....months maybe. Well what you are suggesting is that Reefs is demonstrating a form of ignorance about something spiritually related. It's not really about 'getting him good' is it, you aren't daft enough to believe that you could 'get him good'....minor point scoring seems more realistic. I'm really not near as interested in retaliation or point scoring as you seem to think. Good conversations are where it's at for me, and the conversation above interests me....I wish Reefs would join in actually....for the most part I've come to respect his take on AH....he clearly is quite familiar with their stuff...For the most part, when he talks about their material and LOA in general, I'm in agreement with him. The conversation I'm anticipating ensuing, involves Reefs talking about not being able to simply choose to 'relax into' or 'accept' a lousy feeling because the reason the feeling 'feels lousy' in the first place, is because there is already negative momentum in play in the form of judgement....and if that is so, in that respect, I'd actually be in agreement with him. Accepting sh*tty feelings is not as cut and dried as it sounds. It requires a fair degree of being consciously aware/present. Fwiw, There were lots of times where I really enjoyed conversing with Reefs....it wasn't all bad by any means (even when things got contentious). I stand by what I said in the past: An active forum requires a certain degree of argument...if everyone is seeing eye to eye, in agreement all the time things are going to stagnate. Free free to stick with your "Figs is vindictive" story if it suits you though. |
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Post by Andrew on Jan 17, 2018 2:49:40 GMT
Well what you are suggesting is that Reefs is demonstrating a form of ignorance about something spiritually related. It's not really about 'getting him good' is it, you aren't daft enough to believe that you could 'get him good'....minor point scoring seems more realistic. I'm really not near as interested in retaliation or point scoring as you seem to think. Good conversations are where it's at for me, and the conversation above interests me....I wish Reefs would join in actually....for the most part I've come to respect his take on AH....he clearly is quite familiar with their stuff...For the most part, when he talks about their material and LOA in general, I'm in agreement with him. The conversation I'm anticipating ensuing, involves Reefs talking about not being able to simply choose to 'relax into' or 'accept' a lousy feeling because the reason the feeling 'feels lousy' in the first place, is because there is already negative momentum in play in the form of judgement....and if that is so, in that respect, I'd actually be in agreement with him. Accepting sh*tty feelings is not as cut and dried as it sounds. It requires a fair degree of being consciously aware/present. Fwiw, There were lots of times where I really enjoyed conversing with Reefs....it wasn't all bad by any means (even when things got contentious). I stand by what I said in the past: An active forum requires a certain degree of argument...if everyone is seeing eye to eye, in agreement all the time things are going to stagnate. Free free to stick with your "Figs is vindictive" story if it suits you though. That's not how I have characterized you. I think you have a point to prove when it comes to Reefs, there's a bit of a rawness there and there's something/s you are seeking to be right about in relation to him. I well believe you would welcome him here, I can see how that would fit in what you want to be right about (divergent points of view etc etc). I'll say no more on this thread though. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 17, 2018 2:56:40 GMT
I'm really not near as interested in retaliation or point scoring as you seem to think. Good conversations are where it's at for me, and the conversation above interests me....I wish Reefs would join in actually....for the most part I've come to respect his take on AH....he clearly is quite familiar with their stuff...For the most part, when he talks about their material and LOA in general, I'm in agreement with him. The conversation I'm anticipating ensuing, involves Reefs talking about not being able to simply choose to 'relax into' or 'accept' a lousy feeling because the reason the feeling 'feels lousy' in the first place, is because there is already negative momentum in play in the form of judgement....and if that is so, in that respect, I'd actually be in agreement with him. Accepting sh*tty feelings is not as cut and dried as it sounds. It requires a fair degree of being consciously aware/present. Fwiw, There were lots of times where I really enjoyed conversing with Reefs....it wasn't all bad by any means (even when things got contentious). I stand by what I said in the past: An active forum requires a certain degree of argument...if everyone is seeing eye to eye, in agreement all the time things are going to stagnate. Free free to stick with your "Figs is vindictive" story if it suits you though. That's not how I have characterized you. I think you have a point to prove when it comes to Reefs, there's a bit of a rawness there and there's something/s you are seeking to be right about in relation to him. I well believe you would welcome him here, I can see how that would fit in what you want to be right about (divergent points of view etc etc). I'll say no more on this thread though. My greatest interest is plain and simply to have good, interesting, engaging forum conversations. I'll leave it at that. |
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