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Post by Figgles on Sept 19, 2017 15:52:06 GMT
Right. So stuff can still matter. Nothing matters because there is no entity which it would matter too.  There's the experience of an entity though, and the arising of caring/mattering, and there's no reason to deny any of that. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 19, 2017 15:52:46 GMT
I don't have identification with experience, because I don't know what anything is. Which leaves me knowing only my own existence. Wether there is interest or not in appearances there is only me. Which makes me wonder why you've basically been mocking that idea for weeks. me too. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 19, 2017 15:53:18 GMT
Nothing matters because there is no entity which it would matter too. But without that logical conclusion, things do matter to you. (Actually, in spite of it) Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 16:27:15 GMT
It's true that from the perspective of the unbounded, nothing matters, but you can't play it both ways. When you participate in a discussion you are individuated consciousness as a jiva and you cannot put your view forward as being correct but then dismiss what someone else says because nothing matters. Otherwise all I have to do is to continually dismiss you on the basis that nothing matters and no one is here. No, no, no, you don't have control over that which compels the activity of your appearance. The activity reflects that of a sentient being, but the ignorance of sentience doesn't verify sentience. Therefore the activity that all things matter is only an illusion at the level of empty zombie appearances. Hehe  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
I don't have identification with experience, because I don't know what anything is. Which leaves me knowing only my own existence. Wether there is interest or not in appearances there is only me. Cool. Then, you should also be aware that that absence of knowing translates into an openness to possibility that rather than leaving you steeped in ignorance, as one might wrongly suspect, it leaves you free and unbound. No, no, no, openness to possibility for who or what? There is no entity steeped in ignorance or that can become free and unbound. Life determines what is possible and what is not. Not the conceptual folly from a mind of an illusory entity.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
No, no, no, you don't have control over that which compels the activity of your appearance. The activity reflects that of a sentient being, but the ignorance of sentience doesn't verify sentience. Therefore the activity that all things matter is only an illusion at the level of empty zombie appearances. Hehe ![]() ![]()  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 17:50:10 GMT
Which makes me wonder why you've basically been mocking that idea for weeks. me too. Well, there's no one who knows more about mocking than Phil(enigma)...and his pals Laffy and Reefers at the Spiritual Teachers forum... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 17:54:20 GMT
Nothing matters because there is no entity which it would matter too. There's the experience of an entity though, and the arising of caring/mattering, and there's no reason to deny any of that. Yes, but I can't trust those experiences, isn't it? Ignorance raises doubt not denial. Hehe  |
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Post by Enigma on Sept 19, 2017 18:35:19 GMT
Cool. Then, you should also be aware that that absence of knowing translates into an openness to possibility that rather than leaving you steeped in ignorance, as one might wrongly suspect, it leaves you free and unbound. No, no, no, openness to possibility for who or what? There is no entity steeped in ignorance or that can become free and unbound. Life determines what is possible and what is not. Not the conceptual folly from a mind of an illusory entity. I would say it's mind, in it's conceptual folly, that determines what what is possible. Mind is a 'mechanism' for creating apparent boundaries on the boundless. Mr Life isn't doing that. |
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Post by Figgles on Sept 19, 2017 18:36:37 GMT
No, no, no, openness to possibility for who or what? Answering that would mean the end of openness. Right. But there can still be the experience of being bound...and then the cessation of that. Is that so? What exactly is "Life" as you use it there? An entity or determiner of some sort, with wants and desires and the ability to set rules that will be carved in stone? how is it that "life" determines? The kind of life that unfolds will be quite different if conceptual folly is present, vs. if it isn't.....just as the kind of life that unfolds will be different if one identifies with being a physical entity vs. not. |
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